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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: At this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: I will be as brief as everybody else if that is of any help. The HSE obtained data from the laboratories for 2013-2014, 2014-2015 and 2015-2016. Data have been requested for the years going back to 2008, yet that has not been published. A letter was sent to the committee stating the reason it has not been sent to us is the time it would take to do it, which is extraordinary. Can Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: I can do so again.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: It will be next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: I thank Deputy O'Connell for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: We are always tight when I am asked to come in.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: I will get the same time as everyone else, I am sure.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: Absolutely. The witnesses are all very welcome. In his opening statement Mr. Daly spoke about evidence of gross inequity in the budget as applied by the State in terms of the nursing home support scheme. I ask him to elaborate on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: However, they are public nursing homes; they are owned by the State. It is taxpayers' money.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: I know that, but the money that goes into public nursing homes goes into public nursing homes and not into private nursing homes.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly's opening statement was quite striking in its language. He said that the NTPF is abusing its dominance as a monopoly purchaser, which is quite strong language. Can Mr. Daly elaborate on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly said it was abusing its dominance.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly obviously feels very aggrieved and concerned by that.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: Obviously the members of Mr. Daly's organisation have the same concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: One of the ways Nursing Homes Ireland articulates that is by organising meetings to discuss those concerns. I refer to the meeting Teachta Connolly mentioned on 23 October 2015. Mr. Daly is absolutely right in saying that the minutes of that meeting are subject to legal privilege because that was something that was exercised by Nursing Homes Ireland. I understand there were legal...

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: It was a legal note because they were at the meeting; they took notes.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: As Mr. Daly knows that note was leaked and it was covered in most of the national newspapers. The word "boycott" was used in every publication. Three or four newspapers published the article. Mr. Daly was at the meeting. He was asked a question earlier by Teachta Connolly. He said he did not use the word "boycott". However, he was not asked whether he used it. He was asked whether the...

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. Daly has not dealt with it, because what he-----

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: No. Mr. Daly can choose not to answer questions; that is no problem. However, he cannot come in and try to pull the wool over people's eyes. If he wants to not answer questions, that is entirely his prerogative. However, in not answering questions and not being upfront, in my view, it causes concern for me. He knows perfectly well he was not asked whether he used the word "boycott"...

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

David Cullinane: No matter how many times Mr. Daly trots out the line about the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission, it does not make any material difference to the question I put as to whether the word "boycott" was used. The Competition and Consumer Protection Commission would be investigating whether something actually happened. What is in the public domain that we know about from the leaked...

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