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Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Living Wage (19 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: 902. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation the action she is taking to progress a motion (details supplied) which supported the call for an incremental increase in the minimum wage until it is set at 60% of median earnings and a living wage to be adopted throughout the public sector; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [22720/16]

Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Living Wage (19 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: 904. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation if she is considering measures to ensure that the Government leads by example and becomes a living wage employer by 2018 and that the living wage is progressively extended to State procured services in the areas of security, cleaning and hospitality; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [22722/16]

Written Answers — Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Proposed Legislation (19 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: 903. To ask the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation the timeline for the introduction of legislation to implement the recommendations of the University of Limerick report to the Government - A Study on the Prevalence of Zero Hours Contracts among Irish Employers and their Impact on Employees and the Cahill-Duffy expert examination and review of laws on the protection of employee...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: If the witnesses have the letter with them, it would be helpful if it could be circulated to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Mr. O'Brien might not have all of those letters with him, but if he has the specific letter mentioned by Deputy McDonald it would be useful for the committee if if was circulated in the next few minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Like my good colleague, Deputy Aylward, I find today to be a pretty incredible meeting for many different reasons. Four hours later we have not really got anywhere. I want to talk a little about that. Trying to get to the bottom of what is going on here is like pulling teeth. We have a duty to do so. In his role as CEO, as the accounting manager or officer or whatever phrase is used now,...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: That is established. Therefore, when it comes to the organisations - and a huge number of them are funded - there are various ways of analysing their performance and of looking under the hood at what they are doing. For instance, outside of the actual financial auditing, which is a big strand that should net issues, were the characters in question, the people who are heading up many of...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I know and accept that, but that is not really my question. My question relates to the fact that the scenario since 2006 has been that various alerts were put in place which, for various reasons that we have not fully got to the bottom of, were never checked out. My point is that in such scenarios, such alerts should trigger audits. I am trying to get beyond the technicality of statements...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Answer the question anyway.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I accept what the witness is saying but I am trying to get to the issue. The HSE must look after an incredible number of funds and public money and this committee must ensure that is done appropriately. I will have questions for the Department of Health in a moment. The HSE is an organisation. It is not just about the financial tracking and auditing, which is clearly critical, but there...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I will get back to that. With regard to the funding given out and whether there was misappropriation of public funds, it must be the case if one believes the following logic. These organisations are funded collectively through funding given by the HSE and various fund-raising mechanisms. One might imagine a big pie. Nobody can distinguish which money is being used for what. This...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I will rephrase it. I shall say, to correct the record, it is possible that it is the case. Would the witness agree it is possible?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: This brings me back to the very good point from Deputy Burke that I was going to raise. I will get into a little more detail. When this process started, how did it take 11 months for it to stop when issues arose? The body in question was still allowed to provide a service. I cannot understand how the HSE did not mobilise more quickly and do something about it more quickly.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I accept the last point but the HSE could have acted more quickly while ensuring services were provided. In doing so, there may have been a better response. That is a subjective view. I was taken by some of the answers from Ms O'Connor and Dr. Smith. I do not want to put words in the witnesses' mouths but what I got from the submission was that there is an equation between the amount of...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I accept that. To be honest, and in fairness to him, Mr. O'Brien said earlier on he is a frequent flier. By the end of this process he will be living in the plane by the looks of things, because he will be here so often. That is not his fault either.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: We can see that from the witness's contributions.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I accept that. I thought he would use his initiative though and come himself.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: And controls.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: It is not. Does the witness believe the framework for governance and the controls in place are the best they can be for the HSE, yes or no?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: The proportionality is this - there is a big difference between the Department with responsibility for the environment, which I know a lot about, working with other organisations to give out grants for installation, and €3.6 billion. When we talk about proportionality and costs associated effectively with framework, management structures, controls etc., it is quite obvious to me and...

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