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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: What did Mr. Sugarman do thereafter? I want to understand the practical sequence of events. What view did Mr. Sugarman take?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is Mr. Sugarman at liberty to name the IT firm?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: No, I want to get up to the point that Mr. Sugarman resigned but I -----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: No, I want to assist Mr. Sugarman in bringing out the story.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: What I want him to do is tell me in painstaking detail what happened. This IT company was employed, then what happened?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: When was this? Was this July or August?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Was the bank required to file monthly returns on liquidity with the Central Bank? How often were these required?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: This is a monthly return?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: When it came to do the August return, was the liquidity rate still pear-shaped?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: I want to go back. The IT company was brought in. Mr. Sugarman needs to explain what it did and what that brought about?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: At this time, who had employed this IT company to look at ratios and so on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: They were working with the accounting department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: Then what happened?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: No, I want Mr. Sugarman to get to the nub of the story. What I am trying to get at is that he brought in the IT company -----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: There is the accounting department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: And Mr. Sugarman is himself in the risk department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: I want to establish how all these sections interacted and how Mr. Sugarman got to the point where he felt he had to resign his post.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: No, I want Mr. Sugarman to talk about the work that he did on the figures arrived at.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: And?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Banking and Financial Regulation: Discussion with Mr. Jonathan Sugarman (13 Apr 2017)

Kieran O'Donnell: When was that?

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