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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: My final question was about future-proofing costs.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: -----the equation it will have to deliver is as follows. On one side we will be faced with very hefty fines and a huge ongoing legal debate for years with the European Union and, on the other, with introducing reasonable and affordable water charges. For that to happen, given the make-up of the House and the utterances of Fianna Fáil, particularly Deputy Barry Cowen who has brought us...

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: No. The timeline and duration of this Dáil will really be in Deputy Barry Cowen's hands once the committee reports back because given the arithmetic, its report will not be able to pass through the House without his support and that of Fianna Fáil. Therefore, I want to know that he will support the outcome, given the democratic process which he has pursued.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: No, I do not.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Seeing that Deputy Barry Cowen wants to pursue this issue, I am sure he will be willing to accept the outcome of the committee's deliberations.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: If the Deputy does so, given the fact that, as I have shown, it is a predetermined outcome-----

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am concluding.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: We now know that that is the scenario. It will be the biggest political climbdown in Deputy Barry Cowen's political career should he do it.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I look forward to that day when the Deputy has to make that decision.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am delighted to be able to speak on this amendment relating to the committee. This is a unique moment because, as I stand here, I agree with Deputy Paul Murphy on this issue. This is a unique moment.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: The eureka moment is that he used a phrase I was going to use, which is that the setting up of this committee is a sham. I am coming at it from a totally different perspective but it is a sham. It is a sham because-----

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: If the Minister will listen for a change, instead of interrupting all the time-----

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: The reason this committee is a sham is because it has a predetermined outcome. When the Minister unveils to the House his conversation with Commissioner Vella last Friday, we will all know that to be a fact. The Commissioner, with whom I have discussed this issue, will have made it known only too well to the Minister that the consequence of getting rid of or suspending water charges is that...

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am not misrepresenting the Commissioner.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am not misrepresenting anything.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I say to the Minister that is what I predict will happen.

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: One second-----

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: To clarify-----

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I will. To be clear, so the Minister cannot accuse me of misrepresenting anyone, given the discussions with Europe, I believe we will be left in a situation where this committee will have a predetermined outcome based on the advice the Minister has been given. I am sure the Attorney General has given him advice on the issue. I am sure he has asked her for it. I asked her for it before I...

Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2016: Report Stage (12 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: -----or we have some form of affordable water charges based on the polluter pays principle. I know the Minister agrees with that principle. The consequences of what we have done here means that-----

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