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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Visiting a building is not what I asked about. It is a very specific question. Section 6.12 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report states "These [two alternative] options were noted in internal correspondence in August 2015 but were not formally documented in the submission to the Board in March 2016." They were not formally submitted to the board, and "formally" is the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: This is part of the process failure. The primary role of the OPW is to procure office accommodation and then to allocate that accommodation. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: How many staff has the OPW?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: It has 1,700 staff yet it has to employ consultants to do carry out some of this role. How is it possible that an organisation with 1,700 staff needs a consultant company to oversee the lease negotiations?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: However, in terms of process-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: In terms of process, the OPW is allocated money which it spends by purchasing or renting sites and overseeing that process. It is important to have follow-through on the processes in place to protect the OPW, its staff and taxpayers' money being spent and also to allow the Comptroller and Auditor General do his job and for the Committee of Public Accounts to do our job. I mentioned the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: That is the Comptroller and Auditor General saying that. Surely that is a fundamental failure in process. The OPW is the organisation responsible for ensuring there is compliance and no difficulties.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay. In-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Here is my concern. This comes up over and over again. We saw it with NAMA and different organisations. Sometimes I believe it is deliberate and intentional not to put these benchmarks in place because then organisations can do what they want to do or maybe it is easier for them. I believe it goes back to some of the correspondence provided in 2014. Mr. Bourke seems perplexed by my...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: If a thorough examination of the alternatives was carried out, I am sure the Comptroller and Auditor General would have reported that. He has not reported that a thorough examination was done. He said a lack of documentation was given.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: And whether it is fit for purpose for staff numbers.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: I accept that and I thank Mr. McCarthy. Those processes are in place to protect Mr. Buckley so that he does not have to appear before the committee to answer difficult questions, and then - I am not saying he is doing this - try to defend the indefensible. It is indefensible that the Comptroller and Auditor General feels the processes that should have been in place were not. In many ways,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. Buckley made an extraordinary statement earlier when he said that the mistake in the difference in measurements slipped into the lease. In fact, it was not a slip at all. People were aware of this. Section 6.21 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report states:In finalising the lease, the issue of the different measurement bases was considered. When reviewing the lease, the Chief...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: I should have said it was not acted upon.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: It was picked up but not acted upon and the Comptroller and Auditor General was not given a credible reason.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: How was it picked up and not acted upon with no credible reason given to the chief auditor of the State? How is that possible?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: We know all that. I have one final question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: We understand that; it is all in the documentation. The critical point is that it was picked up but not acted upon. When the Comptroller and Auditor General was doing his job examining this, he was not given a credible reason as to why it was not acted upon. Certainly if a credible reason was given, it is not in his report, which is unacceptable. I have one final question and I will...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Why did it take from November to May for a first draft to appear?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Was that draft given to the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General?

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