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Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: No.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I will tell the witness what we will do. When we are in private session afterwards we will discuss that question and come back with a timeframe.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Basically, if anyone has raised any issues relating to organisations, we must make sure they were followed up. Does the witness believe we would be discussing this today if the "Prime Time" programme had not taken place?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I have a question for the representative from the Department of Health. When issues were raised about Console, why did the Department not notify the HSE? The witness said earlier that there was no evidence of correspondence to the HSE. That is a factual statement. Why was there none?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I know that. Why?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I just have a request for documentation before I conclude. Earlier Mr. O'Brien said that given the volume of audits that the HSE carries out - just under 1,000 - the process is to release them under freedom of information. Is it correct that they are not on the website?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: How can we seek the audits if we do not know the organisations that have been audited? Is there a list of organisations that have been audited so we can request them?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Is the list of organisations on the HSE website for the public?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: How can one ask for audits that one does not know have been done?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Yes, but there are thousands of organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE Financial Statement 2015 (15 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am sure they will.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Specifically, Ms McGrath indicated earlier that the OPW wanted to manage its resources and the number of pilots. It is not credible to say that there is no piece of paper which outlines Nos. 1 to 4.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I do not expect Ms McGrath to be able to answer absolutely everything in detail, but if she could provide-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I saw that. My question still stands, however, as regards "how".

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I have no doubt. My question, however, regards wanting to see documentary evidence of this rather than commentary. Can the OPW provide that to the committee after this meeting? I do not expect the witnesses to have it here. I am sure the arguments are valid and just want to know from a management structure point of view that there was a process in place to do this. I have a number of...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Is there a recalibration of costs?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: Is Ms McGrath happy and satisfied that she signalled this over recent years?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: A previous Minister for the environment had to write to local authorities to let them know these maps were not sacrosanct in decision making, which might have helped.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 92 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Strategic Planning for Flood Risk Management (14 Jul 2016)

Alan Kelly: I have seen this work and I have no doubt. I saw the social element in Clonmel. It was incredible. Some small elements must be dealt with. My real issue is about how it is documented. Earlier, I asked if documentation on decision making could be provided. I would like to ensure it is all documented so we can see the lessons to be learned comprehensively and it is not just piecemeal or...

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