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Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: I would like it checked out.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: That is okay. Mr. Owens can go back to 2005. Cases run on for seven years. One case was settled for €93,000. I presume that is a single case. I am sure it involved a cost to that individual and that family. I am sure the cost of the trauma of facing a court and facing a battle with a State body was not easy. These are the aspects I get concerned about. That is why it is...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Are these ongoing cases?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: How many are there?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Is it one, two, six or ten? Is it in single digits or double digits?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: For how long were they going on?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Since what date?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: I am impressed with what Mr. Owens says. He is telling me that there are no historic cases - they have all been dealt with - and that there is a small number of current cases that date back to 2011.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Are these all HR cases to do with employment of some kind or other?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: As was said, the ETB is using the appropriate-----

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Can we go back to the 23 cases settled and paid for by the VEC's insurance? A further 23 cases were settled and paid for by the VEC insurers at a cost of €95,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Is that a total of 23 and a total settlement of €95,000? Maybe the Comptroller and Auditor General would tell us. I refer to 23 cases, settlement of €95,000 and legal fees of €442,200.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: How much did the teacher get for the bullying and harassment claim?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: I missed a figure in the opening statement of €120,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Therefore, €442,200 was incurred by the VEC and then €120,000 in costs was incurred by the insurance company.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: How did the VEC pay the €442,000?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: To the insurers.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: What about the insurance then?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Yes. During those years, did the insurance hold at the same premium or did it go up, or was there a period when the VEC had no insurance?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: What would the insurance premium be?

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