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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: At our last meeting, Deputy Fleming asked the value of projects that were in train. We were discussing the contracts that were not included and the way in which they were being transferred. Is that figure included in the overall €11 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: It is solely the assets that can be described.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: There is, therefore, a further transfer of assets beyond the €11 billion figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: I am concentrating on the assets for the moment. Are there any further assets beyond the €11 billion which will have to be transferred?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: They should be or they are within the €11 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Are they included in the list supplied or will a further list need to be drawn up to include them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Assets valued at €11 billion have transferred over and €399 million, mainly from motor tax revenue, will be transferred annually for how many years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: There is no end to it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Is that policy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: What happens if there is a shortfall in the operations of Irish Water? When the Department started this process, it had the makings of a business model that would transfer assets to Irish Water, which would then finance itself. Adjustments were subsequently made by way of policy. As that policy stands at present what happens to Irish Water if there is a major shortfall in its income?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Is a plan B in place in case that does not happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Given that the experience to date was somewhat chaotic - that is not Mr. John McCarthy's fault - in terms of how it compiled information and dealt with queries and the other teething problems associated with its establishment, what happens if difficulties arise in regard to the collection rate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: In terms of the Department's involvement in the transfer of the €11 billion in assets and the annual transfer of €399 million, what accountability is provided in return? Is Mr. John McCarthy able to tell me how many have signed up for Irish Water and how much is being collected? Does his Department receive that information or does it get any accounting for the €399 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Some 30% have not registered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: Is that the type of arrangement the Department enjoys with Irish Water? Every so often it receives a report. I asked how Irish Water accounts for its €399 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: How is it claimable? What is the breakdown of that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: When did the first invoices go out from Irish Water?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: When did the invoices go out to the customers of Irish Water?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: We are now heading into July.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 25: Environment, Community and Local Government
Chapter 5: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
Special Report No 84: Transhipment of Waste
(25 Jun 2015)

John McGuinness: And you have no idea what the response is.

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