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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: I thank the unions for their presentation. I welcome, in particular, the commentary regarding the consultation that they would expect to ensure that a just transition is more meaningful than it has been to date, the need for the role of the just transition commissioner to be broadened or for another process to be put in place to allow all parties to contribute to the just transition. I have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: Is Ms King happy that the pension has the capacity to meet its commitments to the 2,000 workers and the extra 5,000?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: We will see what we can do. There are four groups before us and I have questions for each. I will start in reverse order with Mr. Armstrong. It is contended that each retrofit could cost €50,000. Is that true? He might answer the questions later, as I want to get through all of them. In Offaly, 40% of households burn peat. The figure nationally is 5%. What opportunity can the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: I have two further questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: Let us kill the myth about the commitments that were made in respect of retrofit. With all due respect, Bord na Móna has no remit to retrofit. The best of luck to whoever tenders for that. Some jobs in the region may well be garnered out of it but unless the Government or the Department has the capacity to change the remit associated with Bord na Móna, that cannot happen. In...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: Could Mr. Armstrong answer the question about planning, statutory instruments and the horticultural sector?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: The court case found against the provisions in the statutory instrument which, if not addressed by the Department, put up to 4,000 or 5,000 agricultural jobs at risk come harvest time early next year. There needs to be an effort on the part of the Department to inform us of how that will be addressed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: It is about the conflict arising between the two, which appears to be emerging.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: As it stands, therefore, we cannot definitively say Bord na Móna can do the work it wants to do in respect of rehabilitation until that money is in place, and it is not in place. It is an aspiration at this stage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: That will not do what Bord na Móna wants to do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: We will certainly be-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: I am sorry but this region is under immense pressure and we need some answers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: They will be much more limited than what Mr. Carroll is proposing. They would merely close the drains. That is its obligation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: How much will that funding amount to? Does the Department have it yet? When does Mr. Carroll expect the Department will get it because commitments are being made on the basis of-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: The Department does not have it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: How much in funding?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: At this stage, we are no more than hopeful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: We all agree with that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: Supporting a Just Transition: Discussion (Resumed) (20 Nov 2019)

Barry Cowen: I asked about the ESB. On the plant, we cannot allow the plant to be decommissioned or taken down brick by brick. What is Mr. Dollard's opinion on that?

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