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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: On Lazard's role, which is central to our discussion, it seems incredible that a company was paid £4.5 million for this project but was not asked to do any analysis or work in respect of portfolio evaluation or the sales process at the beginning, and was not provided at the end with information about the process by which PIMCO pulled out or the integrity of the process and decision...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: That is very interesting. Compared with Project Arrow and the other one, proportionately the volume of work it executed is much smaller. Would it be fair to say that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: NAMA is constantly challenging advice and external advice, which is not something I necessarily agree with. I am intrigued, however, that when Mr. McCarthy tendered for external advice, he got only one and there was a potential conflict, which is fair enough. It is quite incredible that there was only one. Was the tender too restrictive? Is there anything we can learn from that? Did Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: It is a very short list to choose from.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: I need even shorter answers. It might almost be a quick-fire round. In respect of what Deputy MacSharry said earlier, I was one of the people who got a telephone call and I do not believe it was anything to do with logistics. I just want to put that on the record. I believed it was a formal briefing and, to this day, I believe that by the look of things, it was a selective briefing. In...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Daly believe that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Daly believe NAMA could have handled aspects of this sale better?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Let us stick to what I am saying here. Does Mr. Daly believe NAMA could have handled aspects of this better?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: So NAMA would do everything the same way now?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: We are interested in the word "tweaking". What tweaking?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Will Mr. Daly provide examples?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: We will leave the sales process. What examples of documentation can Mr. Daly give us?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Very quickly.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am taking what Mr. Daly has to say as read. It is interesting that Mr. Daly says it because my next question concerns whether there was a belief that this was the right time to get out of Northern Ireland because of diplomatic requirements, political pressure, business risk and the lack of ongoing quality debtor engagement.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: We cannot analyse that for the very reason mentioned by Mr. Daly, which is NAMA's weakness, because decisions are recorded in the minutes but there is a big gap as regards the logic the board used in respect of those four things I just outlined, namely, business risk, debtor engagement, political pressure and diplomacy. That is not recorded anywhere for us to see if it was the logic behind...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: I am not saying that what NAMA did was necessarily wrong. What I am saying is that, in light of the minutes that are outlined, the committee cannot garner information on the decision-making process across those four variables because of the weakness outlined by Mr. Daly earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: We will move on.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: To be honest, that is not the remit of this committee because we must study it from the time the decision was made so that comment is irrelevant.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Daly should follow my questioning. He has only a limited amount of time. In my opinion, it is irrelevant because we are analysing the decision at the time rather than post-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (29 Sep 2016)

Alan Kelly: So NAMA was able to predict the outcome of the referendum?

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