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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I have a specific question for the Comptroller and Auditor General. I know that he has reported on the Department of social welfare or social protection. Has he examined the matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I wish to declare that I have met a prison officer who also works in Mountjoy Prison. That prison officer wants to make a protected disclosure. The matter concerned seems very similar to the issues that have been raised. As soon as I get the disclosure I will forward it to the committee. I will talk to the secretariat on how that can be done. It seems that there are issues and we have...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: It is €1.5 billion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I want to separate out a couple of issues in my head. I agree with Teachta Kelly's analysis. Regarding these emails, we had two polar opposite viewpoints at the same committee meeting from individuals within two different organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Yes. One being the State Claims Agency and the second being CervicalCheck. They were polar opposite views. Mr. Gleeson was strident in his view that the SCA was never told that all women had been informed. This was not just a miscommunication around a misinterpretation of the meaning of what was said. His view is that, as Teachta O'Brien said, there was no conversation and there was no...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That concerns me. I could put it a different way but I want to be careful in what I say. It troubles me that we heard from two organisations that had polar opposite views on what is a very sensitive issue. Conveniently — if I can use that word — we now have a mutually agreed position. As I simply do not accept that at face value, I believe Mr. Gleeson has to appear before us...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I have one observation on that. I fully agree with the proposal. On a point of clarification, however, I understand there were a number of legal people involved in the conference call that was referred to. Were there not?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Was it subject to privilege?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: I am only pre-empting what the response might be. Given that legal people were party to the conference call-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Is Deputy Kelly saying they should be brought in also?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Whether they come in or not, I am just trying to-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: May I make a point on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: My only point is that our quarrel, issue or source of contention concerns the individual from the State Claims Agency who answered the questions and Mr. Gleeson. The more people we involve, including legal people, the more difficult we could make it for ourselves to have a meeting. I am just saying we need to consider this carefully so we will not be cut off at the pass.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: In private session, can we have a discussion around the wider issue of what led to the circular being issued and the decision-making on open disclosure? These are important issues and deal with what Teachta Kelly said earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Can we postpone correspondence and deal with it early?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Was I leaving prematurely?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Why was it planned? What triggered the planning of looking into these areas?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: Basically, the trigger or motivation for doing the audit was not so much that internal audit took the view there might be issues, but rather that a considerable amount of money would be spent. Many changes were happening and internal audit wanted to see whether there were any issues, but the section was not aware that there were any issues.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

David Cullinane: The Garda internal audit section has an audit committee. Is that correct?

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