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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: That is my understanding. Will Mr. Cregan help us on this issue?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: The HSE did not know about the company either.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: I think it should have done probably, but if that will not happen again, it is an improvement. It seems that the HSE was kept in the dark according to Mr. Cregan's report about pretty well everything that is material to the discussion we are having today - perhaps Ms McGuinness might correct me. It was kept in the dark about the extent of Mr. Kiely's pay for several years. It was kept in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: I ask Mr. Goulding to comment on that. The HSE is claiming that the board, of which he was chairman, did not inform it of what was happening in terms of Mr. Kiely's package, Mr. Conlan's appointment, Mr. Kiely's pay, pay generally, and the Friends and Supporters of the Central Remedial Clinic.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: There was a confidentiality clause, was there not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Did that include not telling the HSE as well?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Can we come back to that later because it is a big issue?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: The board was in blatant breach in that case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: That was in clear breach of the CRC's agreement with the HSE. There is no argument about it, is there? The CRC did not inform it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: That kind of breach, keeping the HSE, the CRC's main funders, in the dark, is a finding of Mr. Cregan's report which Mr. Goulding disputes. Does he accept that as a fair comment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Was there a culture of secrecy in the board?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Goulding came in as chairman in 2010, is that so?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: At that time he did not know what the chief executive was paid.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: This is the chief executive.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Mr. Goulding was on the board for many years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Dating back to 1991 he has been associated with it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: I do not doubt his motivation. I know very well his motivation and his family ties. For 20 years he was associated with the clinic. It seems utterly extraordinary that he could be on the board and not ask, with nobody else presumably ever asking, what the chief executive was paid. I kind of understand why the HSE did not hear about it, if they will not even tell their own board. Why is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Who was on the remuneration committee at the time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Is that still the case?

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