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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I completely understand that we are making sure this is being properly applied. On a minor but important issue which I come across, flexibility is also required in some of these matters. I have dealt with youngsters who perhaps grew up in a foster arrangement or in care. When they are 18, they are in a very different position from somebody who is at home in a middle-class household....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is a high rate of success on appeal in the social welfare area, particularly in respect of disability payments. Essentially, the problem goes further back. There is a non-acceptance of medical evidence and the case then has to be reassessed. This is where a consultant says somebody has an illness that will continue for 12 months, and, in any case, the person will not qualify for,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It then goes to appeal and other medics need to come in and oversee it. There is a rush to disallow some of these applications. The number of cases overturned on appeal shows us there is a problem in the original decision, despite there being a decent volume of evidence. I am not saying people should be paid allowances or benefits without providing the information but, in my office, I see...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What was that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is a second person here with the same opinion. The unemployment rate stands at 4.6%. We were told during the so-called boom years that 5% represented full employment. There is a value-for-money issue in respect of these contracts. There is more than one aspect that we need to consider.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Comprehensive replies such as this are welcome. In case it appears that this is all one-way criticism, I note that there is some very good stuff in it as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: A topic we have discussed at recent meetings is the liquidation of the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation, IBRC. In response to a priority question I asked in the Dáil yesterday, the Minister indicated that he is not going to set up a committee of inspection. He also said that the special liquidator has produced six voluntary reports, which are available on the Department's website....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Three weeks in front of this committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The witnesses are very welcome. I will try to keep my questions short. I would appreciate succinct answers so that we can get through the several topics I wish to touch on. I wish to ask about the 72 sites throughout the State, which account for nearly 1,000 ha. One of those is the site at Backweston, with which I am very familiar. How does the Department control and manage that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Will Mr. Gleeson provide the list to the committee? That might be useful. Is there any income from them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It would be useful for us to look at them in our own time. We got a list of Garda stations that were to be sold and we were quite amazed at some of the things in that list. It could be useful to have such a list. The Department had a number of claims and compensation and legal costs to pay. From my reading, the legal costs were substantially in excess of the amount paid out in the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: When the costs are more than the amount that is paid out in compensation, that is almost the opposite of what people would expect.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What kind of claims would they be? I am sure the State Claims Agency will advise on how to mitigate against a repeat of a claim. It would be useful to have an idea.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Was the issue with the ferry a change in the terms in conditions? What was the nature of the issue?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That is not necessary. I just wanted to get a flavour. Will that list also be made available to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: If the case was in the Supreme Court, there will obviously be significant legal fees. Non-compliance with procurement rules seems to have worsened. Procurement is an issue to which the Committee of Public Accounts pays particular attention and it is a major concern. It appears that some non-compliance is on general, non-specialist matters. What kinds of controls does the Department have...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I ask Mr. Gleeson to focus on the 17 contracts valued at €1.7 million for fairly standard services. The specialist contracts can be explained but the standard ones jump out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Gleeson has done substantial work to make sure that if and when we see him again in a year, we will see a different profile in this area.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Catherine Murphy: When does Mr. Gleeson think that will be worked out of the system?

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