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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: That data cannot be supplied by the Teaching Council.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Who could supply it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: It is something the committee might write to the Department to look for figures on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: We cannot hear Senator Ardagh. I will try to bring her back in after the next speaker. There is no sound from Senator Garvey either. I ask both to log out and back in or to try using a headset if possible. While we are waiting, any members here may come back in with additional questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: As Ms Fox will have seen from the tone of the meeting, summer provision is a major issue of concern for the committee. Some 80% of children in special schools, the most vulnerable children, did not get summer provision. It will be said there is home-based provision but, unfortunately, some parents are not in a position to get a teacher to provide that home provision. The children for whom...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Deputy Collins still has time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Those involved in the home-based programme, which is the alternative, do not need Teaching Council numbers or to be qualified SNAs; they just need to be Garda vetted and over 18. That is the alternative for parents if they can get somebody because we do not have the school-based programme. That is the source of the frustration among committee members. There are tens of thousands of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: We will finish up with Ms Fox’s answer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank both of our witnesses for contributing today. It has been beneficial to committee to hear their views. We will consider them when we are making our final report. I know they are limited in what they can and cannot do, but I would ask them to highlight the concerns the committee members have raised ahead of summer of 2023. We get the figures and we have a fair idea already that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: We will suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow our witnesses to exit and to allow the representatives of the Teaching Union of Ireland, Fórsa and the Irish Primary Principals' Network, IPPN, to take their seats.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I welcome our witnesses. From the Teachers' Union of Ireland, we have Mr. David Duffy, education and research officer, and Ms Anne Howard, assistant general secretary. From Fórsa we have Ms Linda Kelly, national secretary of the health and welfare division, and Mr. Andy Pike, head of education. From the Irish Primary Principals' Network, we are joined by Mr. Páiric Clerkin, CEO,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: We will now hear from Fórsa, which represents 16,000 workers in its educational division and 30,000 in its health and welfare edition, and will have a view from both sides, including the education and health service perspectives.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank Ms Kelly. We will now hear from the IPPN.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: We will now have questions and comments from members. We will again work to the rota from the previous meeting. I ask members to try to keep their questions and answers to five minutes if possible.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: We will take it as given in the statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I ask that Mr. Duffy will supply those figures to the committee when they become available.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: As Chair, I accept that the brief sent to the various organisation was a general one. It was not specific.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: Is there any comment from Fórsa?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I thank the witnesses for their detailed answers to those questions. Senator Wall is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Autism: Autism Policy in Education: Discussion (Resumed) (4 Oct 2022)

Micheál Carrigy: I call on Fórsa representatives first, to vary who goes first.

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