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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: On the land aggregation scheme, 736 houses have been delivered over 13 years. That works out at 56 houses per annum. Under proposals for development, the Department is talking about 12 sites. Why is it taking so long to get proposals for development? In fairness, 13 years is a long time to get to that point. If a private developer acquires land and does not have it developed 13 years...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Is that in the coming year, five years or ten years?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: At a time of housing shortage, 13 years is a considerable period to come to that decision. According to note 13 of the 2022 financial statements of the Housing Agency, €3.35 billion has been loaned to local authorities and €3.214 billion has been loaned to approved housing bodies. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Where are the checks and balances in relation to the Department and all of the housing agencies? It is a substantial amount of money. We have already heard that one of the approved housing bodies has run into difficulties. Is the Department satisfied there are enough checks and balances in place?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Why are we becoming ever more reliant on approved housing bodies as opposed to local authorities? Why has that slippage occurred? The AHBs and local authorities are borrowing nearly equal amounts so obviously property development by both is almost equal. What is wrong with the system that over 50% of funding is now going to approved housing bodies? Is there a glitch in the system in the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: The period from when the local authority acquires land to actually getting a development is the issue. Has the Department examined how each local authority is performing as regards the timescale? Can they become more efficient in the delivery?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Does it still take six or seven years from the start to getting a finished product?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Given the demand for housing and growth in population, do we need to re-examine how we can deliver faster and more efficiently in a shorter time period?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: On the issue of accountability, to return to the LAGS and the acquisition of land, I will give two examples. Naas Town Council acquired 5 h of land for over €8 million, which works out at around €2 million per hectare. Likewise, Cork County Council acquired land at a cost of over €700,000 per hectare in 2001. There did not appear to be any accountability at that stage....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: On Irish Water and sewerage treatment, over 500 facilities built in the 2000 to 2008 period are not up to scratch from an environmental point of view and from the process that is in place. What is planned to get all of those facilities up to a proper standard? Local authorities have refused to take over estates until Irish Water takes over sewerage treatment plants but Irish Water is...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: I want to go back to the issue I raised earlier. It is not on the agenda for today but is an important issue. We have many housing estates, some built more than 20 years ago, which local authorities will not take in charge. Roads and footpaths are in poor condition. The reason local authorities will not take them in charge is Irish Water has not taken in charge the sewage treatment plants...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: There are 50 alone in County Cork.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Whether it is 450 or 500, it is still-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: It is still a very big number.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Can the Department not set out a clear plan with Irish Water whereby we have a target for each year of getting 40 or 50 off the system and taking them in charge? The estates are left there. Local authorities will not touch them. We are 20 years on in many of those housing estates and people are getting frustrated. They pay property tax and feel they get nothing back.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Mr. Doyle might come back to me in the new year with a report and plan on dealing with this.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Regarding taking charge of estates by local authorities where there is not a problem with Irish Water or an excuse, again the programme by local authorities seems to be going at a snail’s pace. They say they need to upgrade the estates before taking them in charge. What is the plan for that over the next two to three years?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Colm Burke: Thanks very much.

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