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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Can Ms Duggan clarify that figure? It is €750,000 a year for-----?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That is a quarter of a million per child.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Apologies. Three quarters of a million euro per child for special emergency arrangements.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It is an extraordinary amount of money. I take the point about foster caring not being driven by financial incentives - I fully accept that, knowing foster parents - but surely there is some model between what a foster parent gets and three quarters of a million euro in an environment that is not incredibly dissimilar to a home though it is not a residential care placement, particularly when...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: My final question is how many children does Tusla have under special emergency arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: They are coming in at a figure of over €30 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: We have approximately 30 children -----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Apologies, it is the other way around. We have 51 children costing how much?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That is 51 children costing €35 million. It is an extraordinary sum.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I accept that the alternative arrangements are not much cheaper but for a very small number of children there is expenditure of €30 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: A critic of Tusla's service would say we would be better giving the children three quarters of a million euro each. We know that would not be good for the child but I am just saying it seems like a service that is costing way more than it should.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: No, but that is why my line of questioning was around those arrangements.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Eleven people for one child.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I am over time. I think my colleagues might want to continue on that line.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: There has to be a better State intervention for those children from a value-for-money perspective and for the children involved.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I want to go back to the figure Deputy Farrelly just referenced when he said he would hate to see the headline that it is costing €750,000 per child. However, it is costing €750,000 per child. My difficulty is that when we look at its overall budget, this could be nearly 3% of Tusla's entire budget on 51 children. The reason I raise this is because I know the huge pressures...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It could be costing €400,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: The comparison I am making is this. There were foster parents in Leinster House yesterday. They are getting in the region of €400 per week. I appreciate that different children will be deemed appropriate in different places. Those parents are saying that the amount of money they are receiving is insufficient for them to carry out their work. I know that Tusla, as an agency, is...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: They are short-term stays.

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