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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: I have a number of questions. I want to return to the issue of the special emergency arrangements. Ms Duggan referred to the length of time that children stay in this accommodation. In some cases, it is for a day or two. Currently, of the 51 children, what is the longest time a child has been in there?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: How old is the child?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: What is the average amount of time spent by a child in this arrangement?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: So that is live. Can we get that data retrospectively for the last five years?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: It would be great if we could get that data. For those children, what is the path out of the special emergency accommodation? Ms Duggan mentioned that a lot of these cases are complex. There may be a need for one child to be in single occupancy. What is the route out for children?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Did the two children who went into a residential placement go into a single-occupancy residential placement?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Ms Duggan might be able to get that information for us because of the interest in this matter. She mentioned one of the key reasons why many of these children are in there. I am interested to see where they actually move to when they move out. How many single-occupancy placements does Tusla have?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: It is then up to Tusla to determine where the placement is, whether it is utilising the special emergency arrangements or whether it is voluntary or statutory. That is entirely up to Tusla. I suggest that the availability of that accommodation is the determining factor in where the child goes. That is the issue. It is not about the complexity of the case; it is about the availability of...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: I want to ask about the due diligence process for using private providers. Recently there have been some quite concerning headlines about very serious levels of fraudulent activity in this sector. What is the process for appointing these private providers? I think currently there are 14 private companies.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: How long has this information-checking process been in place?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: I do not want to name the private companies that have been before the courts on very serious issues. Would some of those issues pre-date 2022?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: There are concerns that the director of one of these companies had been convicted of fraud in the UK. As I said, he was the director of one of these companies and we can see the considerable amounts of money. In terms of background checks, how does something like that escape? That is one of the individuals who has been convicted recently as well. How does something like that slip through...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Of the companies that have been blacklisted, have any of those been re-engaged by Tusla?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: I know there are two but no more?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Moving on, I want to touch on the external agencies. Tusla's accounts show significant expenditure, more than €7 million, to Daughters of Charity Child and Family Service CLG and more than €12 million to Barnardos. Will the witnesses clearly outline what services are provided in return for this funding?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Does it carry out child welfare assessments on behalf of Tusla?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Not for child protection, okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: In terms of the initial assessment, Mr. Hone is saying Barnardos does not carry it out. Those assessments are carried out by Tusla.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Are those initial assessments carried out by qualified social workers?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

John Brady: Obviously, these are statutory assessments. Under what legal basis do they carry them out?

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