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Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Was the sale put out to tender?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: So there was some competitive bidding.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Fine. I think that is all, Chairman. As far as I am concerned, it is finished.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: I would like to come in on the CRC Medical Devices issue, which needs tidying up very badly. It seems the board is stuck on it. It says it is going to review it, which means it does not really know what to do. Is that not correct? There is nobody to talk to. We do not know who the secretary is and Mr. Conlan is refusing to communicate. Mr. Goulding got a letter - we all have a copy of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: I am sorry; we have a copy of the reply. It does not say there is any more information coming. Is there anything in there that Mr. Cregan can tell us about this company? It seems everyone just wants to drop it like a hot brick. The directors seemed very happy to go and Mr. Conlan has written saying he does not want to know anything about it, that he is not there any more and that one...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: This is what has happened. It has happened every year, has it not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Did Mr. Cregan get any idea from his research - I hate to use the word "investigations" - as to what the losses were in 2013, for instance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: It is now July.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: From the very little we know about CRC Medical Devices, we realise it lost money for reasons we have not a clue about because we do not know anything about it. It submits only very short accounts to the Companies Registration Office. We know the company was spending money like water and that it was extravagant. All we seem to know is that CRC charged it for management fees or expertise in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: No, it is not. Mr. Goulding stated that the CRC used a small portion of its independent funds to achieve this settlement. This is €3 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Is that not right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: It was not all of the €3 million, but it specifically had to be done to facilitate Mr. Kiely's deal.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: I am sure he is right. Mr. Hamilton is kind of-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Should Mr. Goulding not have known? Was Mr. Goulding not on both boards?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Should Mr. Goulding not have known?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: It is important.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: Had Mr. Goulding known, would he not have said, "No"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: We are talking about €3 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: No, I am not making that allegation at all. According to Mr. Goulding's statement, the CRC used a small portion of its independent funds to achieve the settlement. It used other parts of its independent funds to achieve the settlement as well. There was €700,000 elsewhere with Mr. Kiely. There was the payoff and other money that came in before then from the Friends and Supporters...

Public Accounts Committee: 2012 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39 - Health Service Executive
Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration
(3 Jul 2014)

Shane Ross: From people who pay money to charity to pay an exorbitant pension, a lot of it for one man?

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