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Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: There is nothing wrong with that. That is what they are all there for.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: There was an issue about two PPS numbers for some other individual.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Why were there two PPS numbers?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Had it anything to do with other payments?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Is Mr. Owens sure of that?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Was the individual in that case short-changed in any way in terms of salaries or hours?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Was anything allocated to the second PPS number?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: There was nothing allocated to one of these PPS numbers.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: One PPS number.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Only one was used in terms of the payment. Was there usage of, or a payment made to, two PPS numbers or to one?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: I would like it checked out.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: That is okay. Mr. Owens can go back to 2005. Cases run on for seven years. One case was settled for €93,000. I presume that is a single case. I am sure it involved a cost to that individual and that family. I am sure the cost of the trauma of facing a court and facing a battle with a State body was not easy. These are the aspects I get concerned about. That is why it is...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Are these ongoing cases?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: How many are there?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Is it one, two, six or ten? Is it in single digits or double digits?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: For how long were they going on?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Since what date?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: I am impressed with what Mr. Owens says. He is telling me that there are no historic cases - they have all been dealt with - and that there is a small number of current cases that date back to 2011.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: Are these all HR cases to do with employment of some kind or other?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John McGuinness: As was said, the ETB is using the appropriate-----

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