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Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Please do not do that to me. I am not talking about content, I am talking about cost. It is a franchise, so how does that work? If there is an outstanding programme-----

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will the witnesses explain the cost?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: This is what the witnesses are here to talk about. They made a very strong pitch financially, and by God they are giving it everything here with regard to the licence fee. The other half of this is the cost of output and this is a fundamental part of our discussion. Will the witnesses talk about the funding and cost model of "Dancing with the Stars", and not the lovely costumes and dancing?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it profitable for RTÉ to air it in terms of the advertising it gets and the viewership?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: This is why we are here. We are the Committee of Public Accounts. These are the questions we ask.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am going to ask the witnesses to send us as much information as they can, subject to commercial sensitivity.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I do believe it would help RTÉ's case to put it out there.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: To explain NewERA, it is a holding company for the Minister for Finance for his shareholding in some of the State companies. Did it come in on a consultancy basis?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is just when we use such words people do not understand them.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: More for less. We have heard that phrase.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will ask the witnesses to share with us and send on as much of the full report as they can, because if there is information such as this in there and RTÉ is making a case on its financial stability, it needs to be out there because that is what the people see. People give out about the €160, and I know RTÉ regularly shows what we get for the licence fee and I understand...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Approximately how long to do witnesses expect this to take? Is it a week or two or three weeks?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Traditionally, how long does it take?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I say now to the witnesses they are not doing RTÉ justice and they should take this back to the Minister because it is not personally for them and we say it to every Department. A big organisation such as RTÉ has gone to the trouble of signing off its audited accounts at the end of April. The Minister should do whatever the Minister has to do to get them out there in the public...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Why were the two there? It states that in 2016 both-----

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That looks like a total of about €370,000 for the two of them for 2016. Noel Curran is down for €190,000 and Dee Forbes is down for €178,000. Are the headings right?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is on page 112 of the annual report. It is normal to have the chief executive or board of directors. It also lists the directors' remuneration. In that year, Moya Doherty as chairperson received €31,000 and the ordinary members received €16,000. The witness can come back to us on this. They can send a paragraph to confirm it to us. I am not being personal, but it is...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Can you give me an approximate breakdown of how much went on capital and debt reduction and approximately how much went on restructuring?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are getting a preview.

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