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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: Okay. Members can study the brief in the meantime. Is that agreed? Agreed. The next matter on the agenda is No. 3, financial statements and accounts, of which there were 11 sets laid before the Dáil between 30 November and 11 December 2020. The Comptroller and Auditor General issued a qualified audit opinion for the National Cancer Registry Board. He states that the accounts...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: I suggest that we seek an update from Tipperary ETB in regard to its €696,000 spend on procurement that did not go through proper procurement.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: We could look for the total figure paid in claims by ETBs-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: -----over the most recent five-year period that is available for each ETB. They have now been established for six years and it would be a useful exercise to know how much each one has had to pay out for claims against those public bodies. We can look for that. I will bring members back to the question about Tipperary ETB. Are we agreed that we are going to ask the secretariat to look...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy may.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: We are on the Tipperary ETB, but we have gone into a bigger discussion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General for that reply. There is an issue also around the members of the ETBs. I was a member of one of the old VECs. A lot of this happens and the members of the board of directors have no part at all in this. They are not involved, unfortunately. I think it is one of the weaknesses, and not just in the ETB system. It is also in the local government...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: There is a huge imbalance, and anyone who has sat on such boards will tell us that. Are the accounts and statements agreed? Agreed. The next item is correspondence and items that members have flagged. Item B is correspondence from Accounting Officers and Ministers, in follow up to the Committee of Public Accounts. No. 222 B is from Mr. Liam McGrath, acting chief executive officer...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: The correspondence presents a very unsatisfactory picture. There has not even been a report of an estimate of non-compliance with procurement guidelines. At the back end of this year - a full year later - that even an estimate cannot be provided is unsatisfactory. It is important that we follow up on this. As per the work programme, we will have representatives of the HSE before us in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: We can note what we have and publish it. At that stage we will deal with those matters and others that may have arisen.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: We can do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: Is the committee agreed that we do that? Agreed. We will go back to No. 222B, the matter raised by Deputy Munster, which relates to Tipperary Education and Training Board. It gives a table for 2018, which some of us have gone through and marked. It is proposed that we note this and publish it. Is that agreed? Agreed. The next item is also flagged by Deputy Munster and we can leave it...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is happy enough. No. 246B is from Mr. Andrew Deeks, president of University College Dublin, dated 3 December, 2020, providing information requested by the committee relating to non-compliant procurement in 2017 and 2018 amounting to €3.9 million. Mr. Deeks states that €2 million relates to the extension of contracts originally procured competitively and the HSE also...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is happy enough.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Carthy's proposal is that we request a further breakdown of the non-compliant procurement. Is that agreed? Agreed. No. 247B is from Mr. Maurice Buckley, chairman of the Office of Public Works, OPW, dated 4 December 2020, providing information requested by the committee at our meeting with the OPW on 11 November. We will note and publish this and a number of Deputies wish to speak...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: We can look for that. Deputy Carthy may also come in. We need to watch the time and there is approximately three or four minutes left.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: That is as soon as a committee wants them, although we are reasonable. What we have been doing is sending back correspondence that is not satisfactory and seeking clarification. The clerk to the committee and the secretariat have been good in that regard in terms of detail and what the committee wants.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: We can get an update on that. I will have to move on. I propose that we defer the rest of the correspondence and the work programme until the next business meeting of the committee. Is that agreed? Agreed. On 13 January, we will be examining the Office of Government Procurement 2019 Appropriation Account. Usually, such meetings are on a Thursday. As the Accounting Office is unable...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (16 Dec 2020)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, we have Caranua tomorrow morning.

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