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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will make a note of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: You can check that and get a copy sent to us.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will discuss that after the meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I support the Deputy on that point. We would want a detailed note from the HSE-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: ----and the State Claims Agency. The learning process is what Deputy MacSharry is talking about and preventing issues arising. If it is not happening it is a big problem and I understood here over previous years that there was a process of seeing what lessons could be learned. I understood that.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: She can do it with the State Claims Agency. Ms Mannion will come back to us.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are nearly there.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Dr. Holohan wants to make a final remark.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will ask Mr. Connaghan to conclude.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am concluding now. As Mr. Connaghan is probably aware, the HSE and the State Claims Agency are scheduled to appear before the committee before the summer recess. There is a long-standing commitment precisely to discuss issues such as medical negligence and the State Claims Agency bill of €2.5 million. It is not all attributable to the HSE. That is already on the agenda as part of...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Of course, and we will discuss that as part of our work programme. We will adjourn until our next public meeting, which will be on Wednesday, 23 May. I thank the witnesses from the Department of Health, the HSE, the Medical Council and the National Cancer Registry and the Comptroller and Auditor General for attending. The meeting is now adjourned.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: This evening we are resuming our discussion on matters related to State claims, management of legal costs, policy on open disclosure and the implications of the CervicalCheck revelations. We are joined by Ms Vicky Phelan, one of the women directly affected by the crisis along with her solicitor, Mr. Cian O'Carroll. We are also joined by Mr. Stephen Teap, the husband of Irene Teap who has...

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Thank you Vicky. You may want to come in shortly and add a bit more as the meeting goes on. Stephen, you are in a very difficult situation. You tell us.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank Stephen and Vicky sincerely for telling us your story here today. We are grateful to listen to the harrowing stories. It is a deeply humbling experience for me and for most of us. We are here to listen and we have listened to the failures of the State and State institutions that resulted in the needless deaths of women. You are here, helping the Oireachtas and Government make sure...

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I propose that I take comments and a question or two. I will take three people together. We cannot have one question with ten sets of people putting questions. I know everybody will be conscious of the difficult situation that we are in. Speakers have indicated in the following sequence and, to the best of my ability, this is the list I have taken: Deputies David Cullinane, Marc...

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I wish to alert members to the fact there is a voting situation. I know some will want to stay here but if somebody has to go to vote, we understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay. I am just alerting members.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Thank you. Vicky and Stephen, you might respond in any way you can. You might not know the answer on some of the issues, given they have to do with the HSE and so on, but any observations you have would be appreciated. Cian, you can come in at any stage you want to.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Do Vicky or Stephen have any comment on the points made? They should feel free to comment or not to comment. I am not putting them under any pressure to respond specifically.

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