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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: We should get that in the next three to four weeks in terms of the agreement on how the-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I will now turn to Chapter 14 - Measuring Procurement Performance. If one turns to the penultimate page of the Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2011 on page 194, paragraph 14.39 states that based on the four areas of procurement reviewed, the savings identified by the National Procurement Service are not reliable and are not suitable for use as a performance measure....

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Does that mean that the savings reported in 2011 are not reliable indicators of the actual savings achieved because they were estimates and we have not yet determined the actual savings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Those are savings from people just spending less rather than efficiencies delivered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: We cannot necessarily say that the savings delivered in 2011 were savings achieved by the National Procurement Service in creating greater efficiencies. It was more a case of them being caused by decreases in-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: So they are real savings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: So taking that on board means the OPW will change how it calculates savings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Does admitting that we need to change how the figures from 2011 are measured not then throw them into uncertainty?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: However, Ms McGrath also thinks it is reasonable to change the method of calculation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: That sounds to me that the way savings were calculated in 2011 may not stand up to actual scrutiny if we use the measures that will be used from now on. We will arrive at different figures.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Is there not a problem with data collection as well?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: What is being done to address that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I want to move on to the framework agreements in a moment. Is that data then pulled centrally into the OPW or the National Procurement Service regarding what exactly is being done under the different framework agreements or the different contracts that are entered into? Does Ms McGrath have a bird's eye view?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I thank Ms McGrath and her officials for attending the committee. Regarding the sites under the OPW’s charge and their tourism potential, does it examine each site for potential to raise revenue from tourism? For example, I note many tourists outside the gates of Leinster House on weekends, stopping and taking photos. Has the Dáil been considered as a potential tourism site on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: And the brief comes from the departmental circular.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I will conclude shortly. I am uncertain whether Ms McGrath can answer this question but does the accommodation officer in a particular Department decide on the brief from that Department or to what extent is there a discussion on the matter?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I suppose a new ministerial office is a special addition to a building-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: -----or does not happen all the time. Consequently, I imagine an accommodation officer probably would consult with the Secretary General as to what would be appropriate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: I acknowledge the Chairman cannot comment on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 10 - Office of Public Works
(23 May 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Finally, since the office was completed, has the Office of Public Works had any role in that particular space? Has it been required to go back in for the works?

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