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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Is this through guidelines?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Therefore they are in breach of a direction of the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I understand that, I am just trying to establish the fault. There is a direction from the Department that the institutes of technology should not be in deficit yet some of them have accumulated deficits over a long period.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: How does the Department allow that to happen?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I know that we are dealing with the deficits only now, however at the last meeting I did ask that Dr. Graham Love and the Department would be here to discuss Dr. Love's departure. There are reports, although they are only in the media, that raise question marks over the relationship between the Higher Education Authority, HEA, and the Department which form part of questions that we have put...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Reserves?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Deputy Catherine Murphy asked whether, if the boards are in deficit, they are signing off on them. However, there might be nothing to sign off on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Are we sticking with the third level sector?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Is the HEA report on Waterford Institute of Technology, WIT, part of the correspondence? If not, can we deal with it now? I wish to make a point on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay. Where is the Comptroller and Auditor General's report on the University of Limerick, UL?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: No, there is one on UL.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: I raised that point because at the second last or third last meeting we decided we would hold off on following up on some of the institutes and universities until the special reports are complete, because then we would have a report to work from. If they are there-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: The deficits have to be seen in the context of the size of the institutes and I can see where there are problems. Smaller institutes that have smaller numbers have big deficits, which shows that there is a bigger problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: The Accounting Officer and the chairman of the board from that ETB board have been before this committee. They were not in a position, to put it mildly, to answer questions but they did say they would come back to us once the report was finished. It is somewhat complicated by the fact that the report is now subject to a criminal investigation. That needs to run its course. There were...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Is the Comptroller and Auditor General doing an examination of other ETBs?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: There is one issue arising from that, which I raised at the last meeting but we said we would hold it over. One of the issues at the heart of this report is procurement, the rules around procurement and the non-adherence to procurement rules. We touch on this aspect every week when this committee receives audited opinions from the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General. In some 50%...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Because of the lack of planning. It is a huge issue. There is no sanction in place whatsoever. There is frustration . I am aware there have been changes and the Comptroller and Auditor General has noted that. This committee comments on it and there has been some progress. Perhaps more cognisance is given by organisations than was given in the past, but it is still pretty much just a rap...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: Can I get a response to the broader issue of procurement?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: There is a time factor involved in some of these issues. This was a report on a variety of issues but one of the substantial ones was the opening and reopening of Garda stations, which we gave a very good hearing here. It was quite obvious to this committee that decisions were being made to reopen certain Garda stations that did not chime with the priorities of senior gardaĆ­ on the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Sep 2018)

David Cullinane: The spin-offs.

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