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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: -----and as a body we get criticised.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: In this particular case, when the criticism is personalised and a member is singled out and then accused of doing down their own city and country because they have asked genuine questions about concerns that have been articulated by people in an institute, and we are just doing our job, that is serious. It does have implications for us and needs to be responded to. This is an Accounting...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: That is the way to do it. We sought the meeting to discuss the governance arrangements between the HEA and the Department. There were some media reports following Dr. Love's resignation that there was tension. Obviously, we want to understand what is happening. We have been looking for reforms and changes in governance in a lot of areas and if there is an impediment or block, we will want...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: I do not think there is anything we can move. The committee has to get through all of these topics - housing, CervicalCheck, hepatitis C-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: My point is that all of the slots up to early December are taken. Given that earlier we discussed Bord na gCon and the Department of Education and Skills, is there a need to hold a meeting on a Tuesday or a Wednesday? If we do not, it will be next year before we get to these issues.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: We held a separate meeting to discuss the President's Establishment.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: We held a meeting on a Tuesday to discuss the President's Establishment.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: When we come back next week, there might be a gap.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: I agree fully with what has been said about lines of demarcation. I advocated at our second last meeting that this issue be considered to be important. Has there been any interaction between the two clerks?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: That would definitely be a route for us to consider the issue of value for money. The auditing part is probably a matter for the health committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: We need to be clear on the line we will adopt.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: We have been promised the two letters but were they in response to the surveyor's report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. Buckley said two letters were sent to the committee in response to a 2017 report. Is that the position?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Was that the surveyor's report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Those letters were sent to the committee and we do not have them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: I welcome Mr. Buckley and his staff. An awful lot of this has been made very complex, unnecessarily so, in my view. I just want to simplify and contextualise some of it, if I can. In terms of the documentation, we do not have the correspondence the Committee of Public Accounts received previously on what is before us. Just so I am clear, and the Chairman or the Comptroller and Auditor...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: When Mr. Buckley says senior-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: It is only healthy if we learn lessons. Mr. Morgan was a managing valuer before he retired. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: The issue is that a lot of the issues he raised in his 2014 letter are actually what transpired in 2017 and 2018 in respect of the subject matter of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report. Does that not concern Mr. Buckley?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 6: Lease of Offices at Miesian Plaza
(11 Oct 2018)

David Cullinane: Mr. Buckley does not believe they are the same issues. I am referring to the mistaken, superficial judgments by surveyors, hidden but legitimate considerations, ignorance of the market by the negotiating body or person, poor negotiating skills and compromised negotiating positions. Mr. Buckley does not feel any of those could be attributed to the subject of the special report.

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