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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: The total being spent in this area in 2010 was just under €70,000 which dropped to just over €50,000 in 2012. That is a considerable drop. That has come from a mixture of the kind of work about which Ms O'Donoghue was talking, where officials look at different practices and investigate why they are happening, but is it also because of what the Department's fraud and detection...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Did any of these controls apply before 2011?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: That is absolutely fine if there are good controls in place to oversee how that discretion is being used, if such an idea is not contradictory. I would like to run through the list of individual spending items in 2012. The first is new accommodation kit and I take it someone can apply for that only once.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Is there a cap on it per person?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: That would be great, but I would like to see a few of the figures.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: That is basic equipment that every household needs, but would it not already be in place when someone is moving into a local authority house?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Therefore, if Dublin City Council was to build housing, it would not kit them out like that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: If someone is moving into an existing-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Therefore, each time that happens, a new tenant has to kit out a kitchen fully and so on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Would this be an example of an exceptional payment, where the officer would be almost obliged to make a visit prior to-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Household appliances are next on the list of exceptional payments. To what does this refer? If the microwave breaks down, do people receive a new one?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Would that be separate from the new accommodation kit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Moving to furniture-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Are there different cap levels depending on family size?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Can Mr. Shannon provide me with some of the figures under this heading?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: What clothing is covered by an exceptional payment if somebody is looking for adult clothing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Apart from health issues, are there other examples of exceptional needs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: Does that come under the heading of adult clothing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 – Social Protection
Chapter - 24 Supplementary Welfare Allowance
(18 Jul 2013)

Eoghan Murphy: The breakdown I have under the heading of clothing is for adult and child clothing.

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