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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is over time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Very briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Who owns the leases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Who holds it in most cases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: There was some confusion about this yesterday. Am I correct in saying that the majority of leases are lease-to-lease arrangements? In other words, they do not revert to the State after 25 years. Very well.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I will allow the Deputy to comment again. Ms Ryan is looking for the figures. Perhaps she could hold onto them. We should have a second session today.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Ms Ryan can have them before the end of the meeting. I have to be fair to the other Deputies.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Perhaps Ms Neary will come back to the Deputy on that because it is an important matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I do not profess to be an expert on this matter but we dealt with it extensively back in the 31st Dáil. I think the answer lies in the fact that the terms of the insurance provided by HomeBond were completely inadequate. That is what happened.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: That is my recollection of it. Unfortunately, the certification from HomeBond was not worth the paper it was written on as regards pyrite. That is the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: We are over time. I will let Deputy Devlin back in again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: To follow on from yesterday's meeting, I wish to mention a couple of public private partnership contracts that we are tied into at a cost of €631 million. Yesterday, I said that I would revisit some questions on this matter because, in fairness to Ms Ryan, we asked a lot of questions about figures. How many units will be delivered for €631 million? What is the annual payment?...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: Just keep it simple as I am watching the time. How many units will be delivered for €631 million? I understand that there are two bundles.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: How many homes?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: What is the annual payment? There is a figure of €631 million but I am unclear about how that is broken down in terms of how much is spent per annum. I ask because I want us to get value for money. I can come back to this matter, if the witnesses so wish.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: There has been a substantial spend so the Secretary General can understand where I am coming from.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: What period does €631 million cover? Ms Ryan has clarified that €631 million covers just under 1,000 homes. In terms of today's business, the pyrite remediation scheme on Old Knockmay Road was very good but painfully slow. The Part VIII process has received a lot of criticism but I know that, in general, a Part VIII can be dealt with in a matter of weeks, in other words,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: I want the Department to go a step further. Why not use the same design on each site? There are different types of housing such as terraced, semi-detached and stand-alone rural cottages. Surely we could have a standardised design for the different types and sizes of homes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: To save time and money the process needs to be streamlined in terms of greater standardisation. On the lag, while some of the sites were in areas where demand collapsed that demand how now increased. I could name a few sites but I will not waste the time of the committee. Borris-in-Ossory is one example where the situation has changed in the oast four or five years. It changed from high...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Brian Stanley: It has to go further down the country.

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