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Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: Some of the Deputies opposite want the threshold of pay cuts to begin at €100,000 but nobody in the country thinks that people on €95,000 or €98,000 should be exempt from making a contribution.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: It was tabled by the Deputies opposite; they want to exempt Members of the House. How would it go down with the public if Deputy Joan Collins was to exempt herself from a pay cut? It would look ridiculous.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: I think this is the third lecture we have received from Deputy Boyd Barrett in the course of this debate alone. I am used to it, both in committee and in the House.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: I will answer the questions as they were put. There is a view among some Deputies opposite that if one says something often enough, no matter how absurd it is, it is the truth. That is the view.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: Deputy Boyd Barrett goes on again about low-income public servants, and he wants to exempt people on €100,000.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: So anything below €100,000 is low income in Deputy Boyd Barrett-land.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: That is the new socialist revolution.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: A person is on a low income if they earn less than €100,000. It is so ludicrous.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: I think a contribution from people earning over €65,000 is a reasonable ask. This is a reasonable set of measures. Deputy Donnelly talked about waste but in all honesty the whole notion that we will not have to cut anybody's wages is a cop-out. He says he agrees with the ask and reducing the wage bill, but we should start by tackling waste. There is always something nebulous over there.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: They do not want to do anything hard because there is waste to be found.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: If Deputy Donnelly or any other Deputies want to bring forward suggestions about identifying waste, they will have a ready ear in my Department. I have set up a reform and delivery office. We have set out a radical waste elimination process to amalgamate, eliminate waste and have shared services. We are driving that agenda. I would be happy to give the Deputy chapter and verse on it. The...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: It is a terrible strain, I know. Deputy Donnelly is probably preparing his Sunday Independent article and it is very difficult for him to listen to another discordant voice from his perch of authority.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: That is all right. I would rather have had more time to debate these issues and go through every section, particularly the issues concerning pensions. I have not had an opportunity to do so, but over time we will have an opportunity to do all that.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: I have given my view. Deputy McDonald has stated there should be a ceiling for everybody but she has not figured out the consequences for the hospital service or the judicial service.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: Nor does she speak about the impact of ratcheting down to preserve differentials, which would mean everybody would melodeon down unless, of course, everyone should be paid the same wage. I believe they tried this in Albania. These are matters we should honestly debate but we should do so in a way which is realistic. I want to be honest about Deputy Fleming's proposal. I am concerned...

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: We will get to it.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: I will come back to it.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: It was a shot in the dark so.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: I will give an explanation.

Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Bill 2013: Committee Stage (29 May 2013)

Brendan Howlin: On a point of clarification, it is 40% of the wage saving, not 40% of €300 million

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