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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I thank Professor Donnelly and the institute for accepting the recommendations in the report. I will not deal with this in detail but there was a great deal of public commentary about issues that were raised in this committee, which was unhelpful. Professor Donnelly might have a view on that. We focused on two areas: management of conflicts of interest and protecting the institute. In...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Enterprise Ireland said it had no role.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: That was the gross. The net was €900,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I accept that. I am saying that €1.6 million went to the institute, which had to make a number of payments, including €130,000 to some company.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: The institute got €951,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Sometimes there is a sharpness in Professor Donnelly's responses which really should not be and does not need to be there.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Maybe Professor Donnelly could examine that. The €1.6 million was not broken down by the committee but by the Comptroller and Auditor General.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Nobody disagrees that it got €1.6 million but we are stating these as facts.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: We have the right number, which the Comptroller and Auditor General gives to us.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Can we forward these questions to other institutes of technology? When the Department was in, there were few vice presidents at that level. I cannot make any judgments on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I have a couple of questions that follow on from my previous questions. I just did not get through all of the report. I also have a number of observations on responses that were given. An Teachta O'Connell made a number of points earlier that I do not agree with, which shows that members have different opinions in this area. I remember when we first examined this, we were told by some...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Then a number of payments had to be made, one of which was the creators' reward scheme, which went to individuals, not the institute.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: The institute did not get that €492,000. It received the money but it paid people and, therefore, it was not a net gain.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: The financial institution received €147,000 because of its equities so my point is that the net gain, if that is appropriate terminology, was €951,000 for the institute. Is that fair?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: That was my point. Are Dr. Donnelly and I on the same page on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Yes, but it is important.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: Dr. Donnelly is correct that people make headlines out of issues. He said earlier that if he had an opportunity to go back in time, he might make a number of different decisions.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: We would all do that and I am getting to that point because Dr. Donnelly knows that I received more than a dozen protected disclosures in respect of WIT, which were passed onto the HEA and which led to an examination being carried out. We cannot get into that because it is now with the HEA and legal people but that examination was carried out on the basis of concerns that people in the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 104 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Waterford Institute of Technology - Development and Disposal of Intellectual Property in FeedHenry (24 Jan 2019)

David Cullinane: I can accept that. Of course, the institute has its policy and people can make protected disclosures within the institute. They can also make them outside the institute to different bodies, which they have done. In the case of the report that is not yet published, and might not be published, there were 50 people, but there were people from within the institute who had different views.

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