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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: No, but it must concern him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: No. How people get to the hospital will concern Mr. Tierney.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: On the children's hospital satellite at Tallaght, it was stated that the original cost was €77 million and the outturn cost was €83 million. Did I get that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: Does that include all the settled claims?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: How much did claims amount to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: I appreciate that. I have been to the facility and it is excellent. Did the overrun manifest in the context of claims?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: It would be useful to know in regard to the Connolly and Tallaght sites how much of the modest €5 million overrun in the overall cost of €82.5 million was the result of claims.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: Would it be reasonable to suggest that we could correlate the ratio of claims in Tallaght and Connolly to the main build of the NCH? In other words, if claims amounted to 5% of the final figure of €82.5 million, we could correlate that, potentially, to the total overrun cost for the NCH, giving an overrun cost of in or around 5%?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: They are all with BAM.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: I thank the witnesses for that. Mr. Gunning has a background in business. I think it was in Hewlett-Packard. Let us go back to our room to improve analogy. If Mr. Gunning was before Hewlett-Packard's board, the chairman would insist on a final figure. Has the Secretary General of the Department looked for a final figure? Has Mr. Gunning had conversations with the Secretary General and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: I was very impressed with the BAM personnel we met, not just from a professional perspective but that many of them have bought in to the project emotionally. That is important to state. I know the new national maternity hospital is probably not going to be as bespoke, but what would Mr. Tierney say if he met the board and was asked for advice on his experience of dealing with pretty...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: Has the board been documenting the construction of the hospital from start to finish?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: What does that mean?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: I have been looking back on previous meetings we had. The witnesses must know they are close to being out through the gap when they start fielding questions about what happens after this project is completed and when Cork and other regions will be looked after. I kind of articulated that at the start. There is a question of what if something goes wrong now; one of those unforeseen things....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: It is 4,600 clinical rooms. The project is over the hill in that sense but that is not a cause for complacency. There are still difficult questions to answer. I will not congratulate the board yet but I think its representatives have handled themselves reasonably well today. There may be people in the media or other commentators who do not agree. The witnesses have a big responsibility in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: Given the emphasis the State puts on data centres and the manner in which the technology sector dominates the conversation in Ireland, particularly as inward investors, the number of jobs it provides and the amount of corporation tax revenue it provides, the State is a very slow adapter to cloud technology. Where will this project be at?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: To go back to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: I thank Mr. Tierney. The report into the cyberattack on the HSE showed the most resilient aspect of the HSE was the cloud.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: Is this hospital bullet-proof with regard to records?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Construction of the National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (5 Oct 2022)

John Lahart: This is quite significant because of the impact.

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