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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will make the point that as Premier Lotteries Ireland has the monopoly, is the only operator and has the contract for at least 20 years, releasing information does not compromise its position because there is no-one else in competition with it. We will follow it up.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is a 20-year contract.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The bottom line is that the committee will ask that a research officer would check through the debates on this topic. I would be shocked if it was not discussed during the passage of the legislation. I was involved during that and I am sure it was discussed. We will also take it up with the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. We will ask how the assurances given in the Dáil...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, that would all figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: There will be another way of getting the information. The legislation specifies the amount of the gross proceeds to be paid out in prizes. If that percentage is met, it is as far as we could possibly go. If what is being specified in the legislation is being met, there is a little bit of ground for us to cover yet in that regard.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: There are a couple of points; the regulator has the information-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes but she might be able to give us some assurances. The questions are valid and the committee will write and follow up the transcript of the legislation around the issue of unclaimed prizes, and we will see how it translated into the contract.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It goes back into promotion. The contract says that it goes back into promoting new games and it "may" go into topping up prizes, not "shall" go into topping up prizes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: No, I specifically stated it can only go into the promotion of games and it may go into top-up prizes. The unclaimed prizes can be spent on marketing but it cannot be taken out in a dividend.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We have a little road to travel on this one and we are not finished with the topic yet. The Comptroller and Auditor General audits the regulator's accounts. Does Mr. McCarthy know whether the accounts of the lottery operator are published in Ireland?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will check that out. Correspondence No. 1253, from Robert Watt, Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, provides an information note on the models used to protect capital investment by the State in privately or charitably owned institutions. We requested this information following correspondence on Clonkeen College's school playing fields. I propose we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: This means 87% of public bodies have submitted their accounts, which is a major improvement on last year, as a result of us highlighting that issue. Only 13% have not done so. The sector of public bodies in Ireland that was most in arrears last year and all previous years was the education sector and the education and training boards. Last year, only one submitted its accounts on time....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will finish a point and Deputy Catherine Murphy can come in then. Last year there were organisations that did not have their accounts in for the previous year. Not only are they now up to date but the 2017 accounts are also up to date. I can think of some off the top of my head that were a couple of years behind and they have made major progress.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I want to telescope this for a minute and I will call in members then. We will have one special meeting on a Tuesday or Wednesday evening later on in the month because we will have to give these organisations a bit of notice that they have been invited in. There will be very short sessions of 20 minutes for each of them, and we can do five or six organisations in one session. It will make...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: This will only capture 2017 and we will ask that question on the day.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: There will be changes in the structure of that account for 2018 onwards. We will be dealing with 2017. The National Training Fund is collected from employers by the Department of Education and Skills. There should not be a delay there. I propose we invite it to come before the committee. I propose to turn over the page with the list on it, because we have to be very selective. I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: They really have to get an accounting certificate before it goes to the Comptroller and Auditor General. They might at that stage. I suggest we invite the Abbey Theatre. It does not have its accounts in and its turnover in the previous year was €12.5 million. I refer also to the Economic and Social Research Institute, ESRI. It has €12 million. Does anyone want to add or...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are inviting the Secretaries General for the Local Government Fund and the National Training Fund, the chief executive and chairman of the board of the Abbey Theatre and whoever is the Accounting Officer for the ESRI. I do not know if it has a board or what its corporate structure is.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (3 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: No.

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