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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: The issue arose following an anonymous allegation, so we can deal with it in more detail when the Irish Prison Service comes before us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: Have we received other anonymous information or letters in regard to similar information?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: No. 3B.9 is correspondence dated 14 September 2015 from Mr. Seán Ó Foghlú, Secretary General of the Department of Education and Skills, regarding Cork Institute of Technology. It is to be noted, and the matter can be taken up at today’s meeting. Is this the report?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: We will move now to documents related to today's meeting. Nos. 3C.1 to 3C.5 are briefing documents and all of them are to be noted and published. They concern reports, statements and accounts received since our meeting of 9 July 2015. There are 60 accounts to be noted today. Some of these have notes raising concerns about the accounts. They are listed in the documents and are numbered...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: Is that similar to other university cases?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: No. 4.13 relates to the Financial Services Ombudsman Bureau.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: We have a number of accounts from Inland Fisheries Ireland. We have accounts for four years, from 2010.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: Why has it taken it so long to submit accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: We have agreed to bring in Inland Fisheries Ireland.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: I will move on to No. 4.22 then, which is Fáilte Ireland.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: No. 4.25 is Waterford Institute of Technology.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: All right.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: I support what Deputy Deasy said, particularly in respect of Professor Byrne and the Quigley report. While it may be worth the Comptroller and Auditor General's while to look at it, it is also something the committee needs to look at, because it was at a public hearing of this committee that, if one wants to measure the reputational damage to Professor Byrne, many of the comments came about...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: In respect of the University of Limerick, the HEA will appear before us today. These matters are relevant and can be raised. I suggest that the Deputy seek the answers there first. After that, I agree with him that there is a need to follow through on some of the issues that have been raised with the agencies about which he speaks to determine what action has been taken, what remedies have...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: To put it in context, each member present can think of projects in his or her constituency - I can think of one in County Carlow that would cost €320,000 to deliver - which are being refused the capital support to do that, yet compensation in one hospital was €389,000, in a second hospital it was €200,000, and for the HSE it was €9 million. How many projects...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: Mr. McCarthy, you suggest it is systemic issue. That is a system failure but behind a system failure, is there not a person, an individual or a manager? Therefore, it is not a system failure but a failure of management. I refer to when one has a manager who understands the procurement process - and Mr. Watt constantly explains to the committee through his Department how significant it is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: Is that not shocking?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: Does no one else feel the shock in the system? For example, in Volkswagen, Mr. so-and-so who is on a huge salary now has a huge problem. As this huge problem has hit his company, he resigns. Here we are in the public sector with this huge problem and systemic failure and the person who is on the huge salary will not resign. Perhaps that is what it has come to but that is a policy matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: There is a triple whammy because there is another one here, Tusla, where, in the context of procurement, not only did it have to spend €210,000 in compensation for late payment in respect of 2013 but there was also a €1.6 million error in the procurement process. The organisation got it wrong and it cost €1.6 million so that is €1.6 million straight down the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 Sep 2015)

John McGuinness: So it does not know whether it got the same thing again, so it is a third.

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