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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: An order has been placed for the provision of 41 intercity rail cars since September 2019 with a company in Tokyo. On the DART fleet, the letter states that tenders for the fleet framework contract have been received and are being evaluated. I will not read it out, the information is extensive. That is No. 252B.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: What does the Deputy propose on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Okay. We will ask for the committee to receive updates on an ongoing basis. No. 253 was flagged by Deputies Carthy and Munster. Deputy Carthy is at the agriculture committee meeting and will be a little late. He has asked that we hold this over until he arrives. Is that agreed? Agreed. No. 254 is correspondence from Mr. Bernard Gloster, chief executive of Tusla, dated 8 December...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: There is an issue there. Looking through non-compliant procurements, one thing that stands out is that a company called CPL seems to come up on a regular basis under the heading of agency staff. There is a sum of €694,000-plus down as being non-compliant. There are two other companies that got contracts that were deemed to be non-compliant, but they are €78,000 and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Do any other members wish to come in? Okay, on the basis of that discussion, we will ask the clerk to write to Tusla to seek further information on those issues. Specifically, we will seek the explanation for such a large figure going to CPL, as well as asking how many contracts and engagements that company has had and how many pieces of work it has done for Tusla and the full value of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I have spoken to the correspondent about this on a couple of occasions. The issues he raised on 18 January are certainly interesting in that he comes back to the issue of what exactly the money from SBCI can be used for, how it can be used, how it can be loaned, who it can be loaned to and for what purpose. That is an issue that we need to follow up on. It is proposed that we schedule an...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Does Deputy Catherine Murphy want to add anything?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will invite the correspondent to a private session of the committee. He indicated to me in the past that he would be willing to appear before the Committee of Public Accounts. No. 260B, from Mr. Ray Mitchell, assistant national director, HSE, dated 10 December 2020, provides information requested by the committee on the nursing homes support scheme as well as information requested on...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: If we do not have sight of the benchmark, we cannot make a judgment on it. No. 264B is from Mr. Niall Cody, chairman of the Revenue Commissioners. Members will recall we had Mr. Cody before the committee. The correspondence is dated 14 December and provides information requested arising out of his appearance before the committee on 19 November 2020. I propose to note and publish this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I apologise that I missed the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will ask for that correspondence to be taken up. No. 284B refers to an issue the committee has been dealing with. It is from Deputy Matt Shanahan and is dated 11 January. It raises concerns about the recently advertised role of the Secretary General of the Department of Health. At our meeting on 14 January, the committee agreed to write to the acting Secretary General of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I have addressed this matter in previous meetings. We do not, nor should we try, have a role in setting the level of pay for any public servant. The issue being flagged is the process or lack thereof and the unusual nature of the case in terms of the potential knock-on effect on public sector pay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: The committee on procedure gave us a commitment. I raised it with individual members of that committee and they came back to us formally and said they would respond to any request from the Committee of Public Accounts to that committee, and they would turn it around within a week. We will see what way that works. We should have a reply back for next week in regard to getting its go-ahead...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Okay. The next speaker is Deputy McAuliffe.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: We will not get into a bun fight with other committees over it but it is important that we pursue the matter. The clerk to the committee informed me that the application has been drafted and needs to be signed off. That will be followed up on straightaway. It is proposed that we advise Deputy Shanahan accordingly. Is that agreed? Agreed. I will go back to the item of correspondence we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Did Deputy Verona Murphy indicate that she wants to speak?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: The proposal is that we publish the item. Deputy Carthy has proposed that we request An Garda Síochána to keep us apprised of developments insofar as it can. We have to be careful in respect of GSOC. Obviously, we cannot get involved if it is involved in an inquiry into the matter, but we can ask it for a timeline if agreed. That is as far as we can go. If it is agreed, we will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: I remind members that, since Caranua is not present to defend itself, they should not make charges against officials or others who are not at this meeting. Regarding consent, perhaps I am wrong, but I recall that committee members saw the correspondence from the two survivors giving their permission. Will Deputy Munster clarify? I was aware of correspondence from them giving Deputies...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: Did Deputy Catherine Murphy indicate that she wished to contribute on this matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Jan 2021)

Brian Stanley: To be helpful, the Deputy will remember how I proposed at yesterday's meeting that we write to the Department about how to learn from the Caranua process. Obviously, many survivors benefited from the work of Caranua. In some cases there were appeals, where applications failed and so on and people were not happy, but an awful lot of people were satisfied. Deputy Murphy may recall that at...

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