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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The problem is that the proportion of the area at the front of smaller shops compared to the rest of the floor space is much larger. Areas which have a very large floor space in that scenario will win. It is all very well to talk about winners and losers in general terms - we know the overall take is intended to be neutral - but it may be inequitable even where it is neutral. We all know...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I can see why it does not get attention.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: How is it modelled?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I would have thought so.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Or the proportion of the space-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: -----and areas where there is a large floor space.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: This arose in the context of the State Claims Agency. We tried to draw attention to something which might mitigate against future claims.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Does the general Government debt, including local government, take account of cash balances too?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I have a question on that. That may well be a difficult figure to find because it cannot be measured against the WTE, especially if an agency is an intermittent service provider. How would one go about calculating that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What budget would that come from?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: No, I understand where the money is going to. Where does it come from within the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I understand that and in the normal course of events they would be part of the health service. If that money is sitting in a bank account, the HSE must draw it down as revenue in a particular way. Is it costing the HSE money to draw down those funds? Why not re-profile? We might ask that question of the HSE as well. If there is a history of one section 38 organisation having to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I have a concern about the State Claims Agency. There is a piece of correspondence further down that lists all the Departments and agencies for which there is State Claims Agency cover. What is that cover? What does it cover? The State Claims Agency has a general indemnity but that must be a limited indemnity. For example, the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection will...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: On that point, that may well be money very wisely invested.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is important to say that as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: In terms of using money wisely such that one is not saving it or stopping it from being spent but actually spending it in a much more expansive way, exactly the same thing happens with the home care packages. In my area the budget for them was exhausted in February. One cannot then complain if people are taking up beds in acute hospitals. The budget is obviously not adequate, but it is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: It is a very useful list. What happens when a case is taken by the State? Even though it is not under the heading of indemnity, does the State Claims Agency become involved on both sides?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: We will see it in the Department's Vote.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Sometimes one wonders who gives the advice to take a case. The State has to defend itself if there is a case that it has to defend itself in and it has to evaluate that. Obviously, moving to a different model where there is mandatory reporting, it would be different. However, there may well be Departments that are gung-ho about taking cases. If such Departments are not the ones picking up...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Sep 2019)

Catherine Murphy: A considerable number of cases that go through the courts are-----

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