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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: It does not seem to have much urgency, really. Does it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: After two and a half years, the interdepartmental group of which the witness is a member is now going out tendering for advice and help on making a decision on future requirements for this former service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: What progress was made in the first two and half years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: Has an analysis been done or defined decisions been made on future uses and requirements? Do we know how many jets are needed? Have these matters been decided?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: There seems to be a lack of urgency in doing this work. I will move on because I have only nine minutes left. My next comments are on the two Votes and I will commence with the Defence Vote. In 2015 there was a write-off of €8.2 million worth of obsolete stock compared with €4.9 million in 2014, which is an increase of 67%. I am concerned about the increase as it looks...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: What is the reason for the spike?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: I understand. Is there a trend or was 2015 a unique year? Has the Department a work programme for the next number of years to conduct a similar amount of work that took place in 2015 due to the state of the inherited stock and lack of funding down through the years? It is fair enough if the work is necessary. Was there a spike in 2015 or is it a trend? It is fine if it is a trend.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is the Secretary General saying it was a spike?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: I would like quick replies to my last five questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: A significant saving of €27.7 million was made on the Permanent Defence Forces, PDF, and a saving of €8 million was made on the PDF civil support. Why? Was there a higher than predicted number of retirements and lower than predicted number of recruitment in 2015? Is there a reason the number of civilian employees was less than provided in the estimate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: The trend is similar as there were savings in both units.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: My next question is on receipts from banks and other organisations. There has been a shortfall of €1.3 million due to the reduction in the number of cash-in-transit escorts provided by the PDF. What is the reason for the shortfall?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: Have institutions changed their policy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: Has the trend continued?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is it totally gone?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: That explains that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am intrigued by the fact that €1.8 million in 2015 was realised from sales of lands and premises while the estimate was €2.2 million. Property is an interesting topic given the volume of lands located around the country that the Department manages. How are property assets identified for sale? What are the details of the sales process? In particular, is there scope for more...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: I welcome that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Kelly: Does the Department regularly receive inquiries from State organisations to access or purchase land?

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