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Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: We will resume with Deputy Murphy. The session must be suspended for voting time in the Dáil Chamber. It will take around 35 or 40 minutes. The committee will have another session with the Garda Commissioner and An Garda Síochána at 2.30 p.m. I propose that we return to this issue on Thursday, 18 May 2017. Is that agreed? Agreed. When we return on 18 May, the initial...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Everybody is very welcome to the meeting. I ask everybody to turn off their mobile phones. That would be appreciated. In the first session today we looked at the Bord na gCon financial statements for 2015. In this session we will be looking at the 2015 appropriation accounts, Vote 20 for the Garda Síochána, dealing specifically with the internal audit of financial procedures...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and call on the Garda Commissioner, Ms Nóirín O'Sullivan, to make her opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: The lead speaker in the first session is Deputy David Cullinane. The second speaker will be Deputy Catherine Murphy who will be followed by Deputy Alan Farrell.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is to set a context. The Commissioner obviously went there, but after that did she have any role before becoming Commissioner?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: In terms of providing clarity, who wrote it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I ask the Commissioner to answer the questions that are asked, please.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I have to ask the Commissioner to answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am sorry for interjecting but for the purposes of clarity, is the Commissioner saying that regarding the 2008 report, which obviously should have been forwarded, the analysis to date has failed to discover why it was not forwarded?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: We have been able to identify that it got up as far as the Commissioner.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is the person still in the force?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is he still with the force?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is understood.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: It seems astonishing that no records can be found on the decision-making - or non-decision-making - processes. Was that a culture at the time? This issue is in the public domain and everyone knows it has been going on for some time. However, consistently in response to the Deputy’s questions, there does not seem to be any records as regards decision-making. How does an organisation...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: There does not seem to be an iota to date.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: There seems to be a pattern.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: When did that person leave?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: For the sake of clarity, Mr. Barrett compiled the report and he gave it to the chief administration officer to give to the audit committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is understandable.

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