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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: I thank Mr. Collins. The Minister of State is a former Chair of this committee. He has a great understanding of what is happening at the farm gate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Well, my information is incorrect. Can I ask about the idea of the 12-month prescription? Something similar is said online about the dairy health certificate, which happens on dairy farms on a particular basis. Do we need to be thinking about a more practical approach than that regarding what Mr. Corkery has just said about the vet's interaction with the animal itself? Are we looking at...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: On the majority of farms in Ireland, whether those are dairy or beef, there is a regular vet calling at certain times of the year, depending on how it works out. However, on the sheep farmer element, that is probably the one stage where we do not have that regular vet call on a herd test etc. Does Mr. Corkery think that that will be an extra cost? Is the veterinary power there? I will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Yet, they will still have to have the knowledge of the farm and will have to have at least one farm visit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Dr. Corkery mentioned some of the evidence that was given at the previous hearings. I realise that this is the third hearing. We previously received evidence from, I think it was Terence O'Shea from Glengarriff, who claimed that he had been in business for 40 years and that he would be out of business within six months. Does Mr. Corkery think that there will be a negative impact on these...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: We are two hours into the debate and we have another hour to speak about fertiliser. The Department has explained where the process started and ended. The Chair has made a valuable point on whether it will work at the end of the day. There are all types of land and we have seen all sorts of weather this year. We have had unbelievable weather that I have never seen before. If this fails,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: I will be brief as time is against us. Could the Minister of State give the committee the timelines for when this legislation on the nitrates action plan and other key elements will be enacted?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Regarding the nitrate derogation, which is an important part of the picture, where does this fit in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Can the Minister of State elaborate on the registers involved, including phosphorous, P, nitrogen, N, potassium, K, and sulphur, S? Are they all part of it? Will all compounds be registered or which ones will be registered?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Sulphur is not part of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Is it planned to extend it to the other trace elements?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Smaller operators such as GAA clubs, soccer clubs or people growing potatoes in their back gardens do not have a herd number or the potential to get one. Where do they tie into this scenario?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: I will give the Minister of State a scenario he is probably aware of regarding sand-based pitches. There is one in my parish. We need to apply nitrogen to that every six weeks to make sure the grass grows. Otherwise the grass will not germinate on a continuous basis. Sand-based pitches in the complex use a significant amount of fertiliser. How does the derogation apply to that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: To tease out my point, I will take a GAA club in my parish as an example that might use 3 tonnes a year. They will have to register now as an end user going forward.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Which they do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: First, timelines are tight if we are talking about next April.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: I would not consider GAA, soccer and rugby clubs commercial activities. They are a club run by a parish and a parish entity. That clarification would be helpful because whether they fit into this criteria is one of the issues that came up in the past few weeks, in particular with the new technologies agreed over the last decade about going over to sand-based pitches, rightly or wrongly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: I thank the Minister of State.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Tim Lombard: Those in the nitrates derogation have to produce documentation every year to show what was spread, what was in the closing entry each year and for the following year. On that point, can the Minister of State explain where this legislation is going to fall in terms of the need for that to happen and the work that is required? It will be a major change for farmers and particularly for the...

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