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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: If these applications went through a local authority in the way they used to, some of those conditions would be worked out in advance by going through the process and possibly appealing. Would that be fair to say?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: When a strategic housing development is commenced, the developer is required to provide a website with details of the development. However, when a site gets permission and is subsequently sold, there is no obligation to maintain a website. I have come across that issue in my own area and it becomes impossible for people to find information. There is a question of transparency in public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: An Bord Pleanála's website is one of the worst websites to deal with, as it is very cumbersome and difficult to find things. I use it reasonably regularly. I hope the upgrade and new case management system includes an update to the website.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: With regard to language, I have a difficulty with using the word "customer". A builder might be a customer because he is going to sell something, but the citizen cohort has a different dynamic. The board's accounts and the amount of public money that goes to the board, as opposed to the amount it receives in fees, make the point that it is a public service. If it was strictly customers, it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I know. I have done it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Obviously the board paid a large amount of money to consultants to design its website and case management system. The local authorities have a similar system. If one calls to any of them, one can navigate through it. How will that interface with the local authorities' system or will they have to spend money augmenting their system?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. Has the money been spent in advance of working through what the ultimate result will be? Obviously, the board requires a proper case management system. Will we end up duplicating some of the spend?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Did the board put the system out to competitive tender?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: How much has been spent so far?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I will move to something slightly different. Mr. Walsh said that because the board would be holding documents in digital format it will have a digital application. Does that negate having a paper application as well?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Where does the board store its historical records?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Is that off-site?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: What does the board pay for that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Are there retrieval costs as well? When the board has to get a historical file to consider a case that is on the same site and there is an amendment or the like, what are the retrieval costs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Each local authority is in the same position. Mr. Walsh spoke about a combined approach to the IT strategy. Is there a combined approach to storage capacity as well, or would that be appropriate? A very large amount of money is being spent nationally and some of it would not be under the remit of this committee. However, the board is and it feeds into that system so is that being...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: I refer to local area plans, county development plans and so forth. A great deal of work goes into them. Many of them have to be re-examined because we have moved from a national spatial strategy to the national development plan and a re-focus. The plans will have gone through, in a very thoughtful way, what is required to permit a housing development to take place, such as associated...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: The national development plan and the national planning framework were published on the same day and that would be the right sequence. However, there is often a time lag and that is why this phasing approach is often knitted into plans. That is not always followed through on. There could be a potential cost.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: There is a mismatch. We can see it already.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: When there is a judicial review process and an adverse finding with regard to An Bord Pleanála, how is that assimilated into future behaviour, decisions and so on? That is an undermining but costly process. Mr. Walsh might refer to legal settlements. They will not necessarily have happened as a consequence of judicial review. Where the legal settlements fall in, is that separate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Financial Statements of An Bord Pleanála (3 Oct 2019)

Catherine Murphy: Would that find its way into an annual report? Where would it be publicly seen that there is learning from such cases?

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