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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: I do not want to refer to any of the detail but some of it relates to CervicalCheck. There is a lot of correspondence there, some of which concerns that issue. Can the Chairman clarify where we are with this? Two weeks ago we had a hearing on it. We dealt with a number of issues, including negligence, so it was wrapped up in that issue. Are we doing a separate report on CervicalCheck or...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Bear with me. I also understood we would work with the health committee to work out lines of demarcation, that is, what the committee is dealing with and what we are dealing with. I am just concerned this work is scattered at the moment. There is no cohesion to what we are doing.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: My point is more fundamental. When the scandal first broke, we had three or four hearings, and then when the Scally report was published, we had one hearing but we did not get into the report and the issues within it that relate to our work. I had sought a report or some sort of scoping exercise on what we will do and the areas of the Scally report we can deal with and then a comment from a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: We asked that there would be consultation with the health committee, though. Was that done?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: While the questions asked have been partially answered, the issue before the committee, namely, the Waterford Institute of Technology, WIT, report, has not been dealt with. It is fine that there will be a review of the 1971 Act. That was discussed when the witnesses were before the committee. Mr. Love was concerned about the Act and its limitations in the context of the HEA carrying out...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: I believe the Department is hiding behind the review of the legislation and the Attorney General's advice. While that is all well and good, it does not answer the fundamental question before us. A draft report has been in legal limbo for a year. Separate from that, we have the Comptroller and Auditor General's report which deals with one element of what would have been contained in the HEA...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Could we get a clear response to that, once and for all, setting out what is being done?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: It is good information and I compliment the Department on providing such a comprehensive breakdown. The annexes that it attached are also helpful. We sought this information because so many schools had been affected. The impact on children was the main concern, but process was also an issue. The tendering process was one element of that, with oversight of the design and build programme...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: I accept that but, with respect, our job is not just to publish information. Our job is to try to understand whether the processes, including compliance systems, work once contracts are signed and contractors start building. It is fine for journalists and us to do what we want with the information that is published, but we sought it for a specific purpose, that being, to allow us to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: If that is when it is, fine, but-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Annex 3 deals with the detail of project oversight and the role played by the Department in signing off on compliance with the agreements, which is what we are looking to understand.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: If the Department is coming in anyway-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: We have received several pieces of correspondence on Project Nantes and we tried to address it when NAMA last appeared before us, but NAMA was not in a position to answer questions on it, or at least the questions that were being put. We are getting information. We cannot take all of it at face value, but many questions are being raised. We were able to examine Project Eagle because the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: I would like to follow up on that. When we looked at Project Eagle, we found that many issues arose with deviations from sales practices and the management of conflicts of interest, etc. It would be a bit naive of us to think that such issues did not arise in other loan sales. We are now getting information on a significant loan sale. If it is the case that the Comptroller and Auditor...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Everyone could have a vote.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 15: Hepatitis C Treatment in Ireland
Management of Medical Negligence
(22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Go raibh maith agat a Chathaorligh. May I start by stating that the Committee of Public Accounts is not a court, there are no kangaroos here so Mr. Breslin and Mr. Connaghan can rest easy? How many cases are outstanding to be heard by the Hepatitis C Compensation Tribunal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 15: Hepatitis C Treatment in Ireland
Management of Medical Negligence
(22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Would it be fair to say that in most of the remaining cases, the adults would have been infected when they were children? Of the profile of the 455 individuals, would it be fair to say that most of these adults were infected when they were children?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 15: Hepatitis C Treatment in Ireland
Management of Medical Negligence
(22 Nov 2018)

David Cullinane: Would they be mostly young men?

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