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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: What does Mr. Breslin expect the overspend to be in 2015? What is it running at at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Does Mr. Breslin think that will go up significantly between now and-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: September.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: What does Mr. Breslin think?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: That is not included in-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Is it likely to be €500 million or more?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: I am just pressing Mr. Breslin. It is not to catch him out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: It is just to get someone to acknowledge what is going on within the Department of Health and the health services to give us a clear picture and not be afraid of it. That is my concern. Over the years we have seen Estimates that have simply been way too low in the context of the eventual Vote and what was there. It would be good for someone in your position to come out and simply say,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Is it the case that the Department has not analysed the structures of staff in place at the moment to tell us whether there are people who are surplus to requirements in the management system? We have been told as much and the comment has been made by consultants and others.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: There is another area I want to ask you about because you have brought clarity at least to the matter this morning and I thank you for that. It relates to the integrated national financial system - I understand that is how you describe it. The last time I asked about this I was told that a proposal had been made to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and that it was generally...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Therefore, we will not see one system for some time yet. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: You have referred to a roll-out of eight years but that is not relevant to the single system. It is beyond that. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: I am exhausted, having listened to all of that. I am simply giving myself a break.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: We can welcome what might happen in the future on the lines of what Mr. Breslin described, some of which comes out of recommendations made by this committee. I am happy with that. What I am deeply concerned about is the fact that the health boards, dating back to their time, and therefore the Department of Health, failed a high number of vulnerable young adults in this State, and probably...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Did Mr. Breslin meet the officials within the health system who, at that time, were to the fore of the care of vulnerable young adults?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Given Mr. Breslin's exchange here this morning and how upfront he has been on some of the questions that we have asked, which is a little bit different than what we usually get here, I think he should ask them. I think he should seek the names of the individuals who were at the forefront of this at that time and determine whether they have all been questioned or made a contribution to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: I have two questions. Bord Altranais comes under-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Is Mr. Breslin aware of how difficult it is to get through to it or, indeed, to get information from it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: As to the registration of different nurses who have to go through the process of re-registering.

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