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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: How did Dr. O'Keeffe think that?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is from whom to whom?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: From whom?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Where was Dr. O'Keeffe's concern for the patients during this time? We have heard that processes, policies and procedures were in place. Not once did she refer to the patients. All I heard from that last paragraph was about consultants, procedures, protocols, policies and open disclosure. I have not heard about the patient. Is there a reference to the patient in the report on which Dr....

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Dr. O'Keeffe was aware and we heard it previously from the HSE. I must go back to where I started. I am only dealing with one topic personally today, which is open disclosure. Dr. O'Keeffe knows and it has been stated by the HSE and everybody that the fear of litigation prevented open disclosure in most cases. Dr. O'Keeffe was aware that the fear of litigation was a real factor in...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: But we are relying on Dr. O'Keeffe. We are relying on senior people in the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will call Deputy Kelly shortly. Can Dr. O'Keeffe understand, however, that it is reasonable that we ask this question? She has said that she does.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: This was brought to her attention in a special meeting in February 2016 and then the first she knew about the outcome of that whole process was when she heard about Vicky Phelan two years and two months later. I call Deputy Kelly. I am sorry for that interjection. I do not want to take up his time.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Well-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is the Chair's privilege. Go on.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: One quick question.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it being worked on? Is it in the documentation? Does anyone know?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is all that is in it. That is not what we want.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We ask Mr. Breslin to get it to us when he can. I call Deputy Kelly.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The witness is not to comment on a person who is not here-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----or identify them.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is there an appendix number at the top of the page?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps Professor Kerri Clough-Gorr could come in with her perspective on the overall national number of cervical cancers. She should speak to the microphone and not mind who is behind it. It is hard not to make eye contact. It is a case of active versus passive registration. The CervicalCheck group does passive registration of cancer. When it is notified, it logs it as a cancer. What it...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will let Professor Clough-Gorr back in.

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