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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Mr. Tegerdine can respond at the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I call Sandra Deputy McLellan. Apologies have been received from Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: It is contained in the last paragraph of Recommendation No. 9 on the right-hand side of the column.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: It is in the report that was given to members prior to the meeting. It is the National Maternity Hospital.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Has Mr. Tegerdine exhausted all efforts with the National Maternity Hospital to reach compliance?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: What is left in the armoury?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Is its failure to comply caused solely by privacy and contractual elements?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Are those employees being paid out of the public purse?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: The HSE has not seen the contracts.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Is it fair to ask how many meetings the HSE has had with the hospital?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: In the short term.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Is there a timeline for that in terms of its implementation or its publication in the future?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Does Deputy Billy Kelleher have questions on recommendation No. 9?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Is the board or whoever Mr. Tegerdine is dealing with aware of Circular No. 11 issued in 2013 on compliance with public sector pay policy? It clearly references the issue of remuneration in that non-Exchequer sources may not be used or supplements approved. Is the circular not the guiding document we should all be using as regards public sector pay?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Is that why the exceptions are being granted?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: In April last year 143 business cases were received from section 38 agencies.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Was all of this work carried out in-house, or were external consultants appointed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Therefore, no external consultants were appointed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Remuneration of Section 38 Agency Staff: Health Service Executive (24 Mar 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: For those who arrived late, Mr. Tegerdine has just taken up his new post in the HSE. That is why he might not have some of the answers sought. To be fair to him, the caveat is that he has only just been appointed.

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