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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: May I help on that question? My reading of that letter is, in straightforward English,-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----is they met to discuss the discrepancy. The SCA had given its official position to us in writing and it is now saying that Mr. Gleeson's understanding was consistent with the agency's record of the call. The agency is now saying, as I interpret it, that Mr. Gleeson is saying the agency was correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We need the State Claims Agency to verify it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is agreed. We will do that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will make a decision shortly.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: State organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Resolved.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Jonathan O'Brien. We will bring this to a conclusion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: They keep mixing dates. They do not even say when it happened. They just state-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We can agree to that for this day two weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It was. In our correspondence the previous week, we were told it was subject to legal privilege because it was taken by the legal team.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I propose the following, bearing in mind that we are starting from the public accounts perspective. We are not investigating everything. Members will have noticed I have included a new paragraph in my opening statement to witnesses in the past month or six weeks. I state specifically that we expect witnesses to answer questions put to them clearly and with candour. As Chairman of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will ask him to have his legal people available in the building-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----not necessarily to close down the meeting but available if they are willing to allow us to speak to them. We are agreed on this. People will ask why the Committee of Public Accounts is following this matter. We were dealing with this as a result of the 2016 financial statements and following through these contracts. The committee had good reason to test the evidence of the witnesses...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I absolutely agree.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will have a private session when we finish public session today. At the end of the meeting in two weeks, the committee may formally bring its end of it to a conclusion and hand over to Dr. Scally before he completes his work. We should not let it just hang there. We will be focused as to why the witnesses are here. All the reference numbers to the items of correspondence I read out...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will schedule it for 9.30 a.m. after correspondence.

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