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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: To the beginning.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: When did the IBTS reach the decision to withhold the money?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: How much money had the organisation collected?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: What gave the board the right to have this discussion in the light of the confirmed position of the Department of Health that the IBTS was subject to the FEMPI legislation? What gave the board the right to second guess the legislation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: In what year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: The IBTS continued to withhold the money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: I will outline what happened. The IBTS withheld the moneys which had been collected.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: The IBTS was going through a court process which ended in the High Court.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Did the IBTS collect the money until then?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: In 2013 it was made very clear that the money was due to the Department. If the IBTS had the money collected for a specific purpose and it was due to the Department, why, at conclusion of the case, did it not pay it to the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Did they approve it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: The IBTS has no right to that money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: No, I am right. The IBTS collected it for one purpose. It is bad enough to see the Government raiding moneys that were collected for road tax and sending them off to Irish Water. In this case, the IBTS collected a sum of money, which was intended to be given to the Government for a particular purpose under particular legislation, from its employees. Therefore, the IBTS is legally obliged...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Where is this balance of money then?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Why did the IBTS not give it to the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: The IBTS has no right to discuss the issue. It collected the money. Mr. Kelly can correct me if I am wrong. The IBTS has collected the money and it has it in an account. I suggest it should pay it over to the Department unless the Department excuses it and says it does not have to pay. That is the question. Mr. Kelly is arguing that the IBTS wants to keep part of the money it has...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Obviously, they disagree because they have not come to a settlement with the IBTS.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: It is only a long-standing issue because the IBTS is keeping the money. Legally, it has no right to keep that money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: Sure it is resolved. The IBTS owes the Department the money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller General and 2014 Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38: Health
Chapter 13: Irish Blood Transfusion Service Pension Funding
(8 Oct 2015)

John McGuinness: The IBTS collected the money for a reason.

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