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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We want to see something today. I do not want to be back months later.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, over the lunch break. We need to see that. We have all this talk, and when we want to pursue a question, we need this information. I mentioned that this is the seventh Oireachtas meeting and we need to be getting some answers to the specifics before we move on. It is understandable that people are seriously concerned. I did not get to follow all the deliberations of the other...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It was mentioned that the CervicalCheck issue would not be defined as a patient safety incident.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: When did Dr. Coffey give that answer?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Was it at one of the Oireachtas committee meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It was in the memo Dr. Coffey wrote to the Minister on 16 April, just a few weeks ago. Is it possible to bring that up on the screen? Some of the content is blacked out. Essentially Dr. Coffey is saying on 16 April 2018 that this would not fit in with the definition of a patient safety incident.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Civil Liability (Amendment) Act to give protection for open disclosure has not yet been commenced and the regulations might be out next month. Even they were in place, however, according to Dr. Coffey they would not cover this issue because he would not categorise it as a patient safety issue. The memo states that the National Cancer Screening Service and Dr. Jerome Coffey, head of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The director of the national cancer control programme was not categorising this as a patient safety incident in his memo to the Minister on 16 April. Mr. Breslin is now saying that because of the public controversy and thanks to Vicky Phelan and others, the issue is going to be escalated not just to a patient safety issue but a serious patient safety issue that will require mandatory...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We understand that, but the witnesses can understand the point we are making as well. The following speakers have indicated: Deputies Cullinane, Kelly, Catherine Murphy, MacSharry and Jonathan O'Brien. We will take some other names. I am starting with slots of 20, 15 and 10 minutes. People will get a second and third opportunity but I am not letting people go on for 20 or 30 minutes....

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Breslin, please, just respond to the opening part of the questioning about the time it took to get the information on the HSE to us, about which criticism has been expressed?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We would like to get that issue out of the way because we received documentation very late. Perhaps Mr. Breslin might explain it from his perspective.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy has two minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am cutting in here. I said at the beginning that we had a good, respectful meeting yesterday and I want the same level of respect to be shown to the people here today. Before Deputy Cullinane spoke, I said that we wanted candour from the witnesses but that they would be treated with respect. The Deputy can have strong views but I will make sure this meeting is conducted with respect to...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Dr. Holohan has indicated as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is 20%.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Kelly. We will be able to come back to Deputy Cullinane.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Explain what the SIMT is.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy has one minute left in the first round.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will move on to Deputy Murphy. Deputy Kelly will come back several times.

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