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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am conscious of that. I want to put one or two things on the public record by way of information in case the public are wondering what we are actually talking about. There are two separate reports and I am not getting into the detail but the key finding of one of them relates to a Spanish residence in Marbella that was bequeathed to the organisation in about 2008 and then there was...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: In other words they got the property bequeathed to them. They spent €69,703 getting it refurbished and transferred over and then they sold it at €37,500. They did not even cover their costs of taking possession of the property.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That was a loss.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is a Committee of Public Accounts issue because this organisation gets funding through the HSE but it did not even cover the costs of getting the property transferred. They lost money on that issue, not to mind the value of the property and they have included two possibly similar properties in the appendix that were on sale at around that time in Marbella, one was for €260,000 and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are not getting into any names or persons.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is on the other report in relation to procurement of human resource training. There are two separate reports and the second one is about potential conflicts of interest and lack of transparent arrangements in place regarding a procurement process so the public will at least know what we are talking about. We are not getting into the detail so we will raise these issues for detailed...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We will discuss them in a minute because this topic consists of five or six items. The next item is No. 1348B from Mr. John Connaghan, director general of the HSE, on a discrepancy in evidence between the State Claims Agency and the HSE. We note same. We will discuss the matter in a moment but I propose that we finish the rest of the correspondence. The next item is No. 1284C,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, it is in the document.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will revisit the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Plus the way they operate has been a matter for discussion in the Dáil. There has been a proposal to amend how to deal with people but that is a separate issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: In the meantime, we will seek a reply to the correspondence. When we receive that, we will revisit the matter and we will keep the individual informed. Correspondence No. 1285Cis from an individual and is dated 9 May. It is on the non-payment of farm grants. We received a response from the Department, which we forwarded to the individual, in which it stated that the individual is now fully...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, when some of the key staff are out. We will be in a strong position to close that topic when we get the final report next week or at the next meeting. The next item is No. 1335C andis correspondence, dated 24 May, that alleges the falsification of data by University College Cork about disabled access. I propose that we write to the Higher Education Authority, HEA, to draw attention to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The final item of correspondence is No. 1345C from Mr Pat Leahy in the Department of Finance. He has provided an update to the committee on the Apple escrow account. He has said that €1.5 billion has been received recently and the Department expects €13 billion. It is a very short report. We asked for an update on the Apple escrow account. The Department of Finance has...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is not bad. The money has been lodged in an escrow account and people know it is being managed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Neither the Apple company nor the Irish Revenue Commissioners can access the account in the meantime. No statements of accounts have been submitted in the past week. The only item on the work programme, and I will return to the main topics of correspondence later, is our meeting with the National Treatment Purchase Fund and Nursing Homes Ireland on 14 June. No further changes have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Committee of Public Accounts meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I want to be fair. We are all in the same space. Members should be careful about the language they use and about using the word "lie". It was definitely incorrect but the word "lie" probably implies it was deliberate. Perhaps there is a memory blank.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy did not want to use it. We will not use it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Let us be absolutely fair. We have a conflict-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is a fact. That is our concern. I call Deputies Kelly, Cullinane and Connolly on this topic.

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