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Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: No, because they have to show that they have-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: They have to have people who are professionally equipped.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: Our survey-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: Our survey will be establishing-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: Yes, exactly.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: This dates way back to beyond my time. The guidance plan dates back to 2004 and it has always envisaged that it is more than guidance counsellors and that it is a whole school responsibility. The plan always provided that there was scope for other than the guidance counsellors but it envisages the guidance counsellor as a core element. The guidance plan is built around the professional...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: I do want guidance counsellors but I have not provided exclusivity. I have not said that every part of the guidance plan must be conducted by guidance counsellors-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: -----because the approach-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: That is because the approach-----

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: I will go back to what I said. I have made a large commitment in this area to both restore guidance counselling, which will involve 600 posts, and expand the National Educational Psychological Service by 25%, which will mean 65 additional educational psychologists, as well as to roll out a well-being programme that will have 400 hours.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: Deputy Martin suggested that the guidance plan should never use people of appropriate skills to provide appropriate support. The idea of the guidance plan is that it is a whole of school responsibility. The plan provides that if a school had within its staff number a science teacher who was very well equipped, who had access to information and who was well placed, the guidance plan would...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: The position is that collective agreements are negotiated with trade unions, which are recognised as representing staff in the public service. It is normal industrial relations practice in the public service that the decision of the trade union - recognised as holding representative rights for a particular grade or sector - will determine the position for all relevant staff in that grade or...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: The policy is not that of the Department of Education and Skills, to be fair, it is a general policy. Lansdowne Road is a collective agreement between Government and the public service committee of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions. It is voted for collectively, and applies to members of affiliate unions. Allowing acceptance or rejection of collective agreements by staff on an individual...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: We will keep it under review.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: We can provide some data. It is a little out of date but I am sure they are available more generally. In the 2014-2015 year, there were 5,287 applications for SNAs at primary level and 59% were granted. There is data going back further - a time series is available. It seems that an average of approximately 60% of the applications are granted. They are done by the NCSE against a matrix...

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: I am not sure of the exact geography. The special education needs organiser, or SENO, along with the parents and children will try to decide on the best allocation. I have the SNA numbers here. They do not reflect pupil numbers but they provide an idea. Of the 32,000 students accessing SNAs, 18,500 are in mainstream classes, 6,300 are in special units and 7,800 are in special schools....

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: On school costs, what we have set out are principles of a keen cost approach, if one likes. We have made it a requirement that schools consult parents. We have also set out principles such as the need to use generic and low-cost items rather than branded and higher specification items using an approach where they are available in different locations. These are the principles of keen cost....

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: There are no penalties.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: There is an incentive in that if schools fail to deliver keen costs, we will, in time, provide a greater increase in capitation to schools that operate a keen cost approach.

Select Committee on Education and Skills: Estimates for Public Services 2017
Vote 26 - Education and Skills (Revised)
(2 May 2017)

Richard Bruton: We have made provision to take that approach.

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