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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I ask members to be conscious that we took this group early because all of the presidents and the HEA have a conference at 2 o'clock. We do not want them to be late.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I have a question or two to put to them at the end as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I agree with the Deputy. Those two letters will go out.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Dr. O'Connor wants to comment.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Our witnesses all have conferences to attend, so I ask the Deputy to be brief.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: No, we are writing to the Departments of Public Expenditure and Reform and Education and Skills regarding the whole question of the independence-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Members will have to agree to that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will have to consider it as part of our work programme.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will be reporting on this in our periodic report. We can make a clear straight recommendation on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Members will want to hold off discussing it until we consider it. We will do a report. I am happy, if members want, to have that as a recommendation in a report.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I do not have sufficient numbers here to formally request an independent-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are here in public session in front of the witnesses. This is a matter the committee decides but not in the presence of external witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We can discuss it in five minutes in private session or in public session.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will discuss it in five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are holding that over until the witnesses have left. They have commitments. Will the HEA send the committee an update in writing on the various skills mixes of third level institutions' boards and governing bodies? In UCC's 2016 financial statement, I was surprised to see it has 158 employees earning in excess of €100,000 per annum. I am sure the figure is higher now....

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The statement also refers to payments of €2.139 million to key management personnel. On the face of it, these look like high figures. Will UCC send us a detailed note on this? How many are involved in that category?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I thank our witnesses from UCC, CIT and the HEA. I also thank the staff from the Department and the Comptroller and Auditor General's office.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The meeting is resumed to deal with the business of the committee. Are the minutes of 17 May 2018 agreed?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: They were all recorded and logged.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (24 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will we agree to amend the minutes to reflect that? Agreed. There are three categories of correspondence, some of which is now a little dated. No. 1301, which is from last week, is the Medical Council's opening statement. We did not formally note it. We will note and publish it. Nos. 1319 and 1324 to 1326, inclusive, are the opening statements for yesterday's meeting from the Department...

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