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Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: I disagree. In fact, I believe that in order to provide the information we require here which is quite detailed, Mr. Healy is obviously the person who is in possession of the knowledge and the person who is in possession of the knowledge should be sitting with the chief executive.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is it okay to continue?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: I will move on because that is splitting hairs. It was necessary for Mr. Healy to be here. I think most of those present believe that. In fairness, Mr. Healy, working through Mr. O'Brien, accepted responsibility for the fact that information came out that was inaccurate and that needed to be corrected. We all know that. That is fair enough. There is no doubt in acknowledging that. ...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Which is what?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: I do not know how to react to that one anyway. Maybe we should get into a room together. That was a joke and it was not a compliment.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: I was only joking.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Through this whole process there have been errors made in information in relation to the apology for Grace, in relation to the apology to her mother, in relation to the apology to this committee. Has there been any accountability or fallout as a result of what has happened at the Committee of Public Accounts on this issue? Has there been any fallout within the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Has anyone been disciplined?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely. Can I just-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Fine. Was the amendment Mr. O'Brien had to make to the statement given to us last night another honest mistake?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not being personal, but there is a consistent series of errors. From the perspective of the general public and the taxpayer, some of the people in question are paid serious money, a lot more than people sitting on this side of the table, not that it matters. They are paid serious money, but there is no accountability for errors occurring at this level. Can Mr. O'Brien see why the...

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is actually positive to know. Has an apology been made to the whistleblower?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: In relation to the evidence given by the whistleblower. It was stated it was false and there were letters to the High Court. It was stated she was not going to be responsible enough in charge.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Wait one second. The issue has been raised here as part of the process. Did Mr. O'Brien tell anybody in the HSE, for instance, to make an apology? Did they refuse and, if so, why?

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: It is.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: I do not accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: As am I.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Obviously, the issue of the whistleblower comes up in the transcript.

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: I do not have it right here this second. Perhaps I will ask the officials to look at it. On the statement made here on the funding of the agency which was spoken about as part of this process-----

Public Accounts Committee: Correction of Record of Meeting of 2 February 2016 (23 Mar 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. O'Brien did. As part of that process, obviously, there is a review taking place. It is being conducted by a very credible agency for a long period. It is quite incredible that it is taking this length of time. Has Mr. O'Brien received a draft report from Deloitte?

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