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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: That is an issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: The funding of voids and public housing is an issue that could be captured alongside the issues we discussed earlier. When public housing projects are being funded, what typically happens is funding is provided for the housing but the funding for the community facilities such as the crèche and other social-type infrastructure and resource comes from a separate fund.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Those are matters for local governments managing their own finances, although I agree with the Senator that they are important issues.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I was going to bring it back to that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: There are two separate issues which are of equal importance. The point I was trying to address, or hoping we would address, was the extended lead time of ten-plus years for public housing, either regeneration of existing stock or new-build, to be approved by a combination of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Department with responsibility for housing, local government...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: If we put this under the category of the Minister, it will be lost.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I was hoping we would address the lead time issue which is unsupportable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I am happy for us to deal with the lead time issue and include in that discussion what is being funded. Are the Departments involved just approving the funding for housing or, as Senator Moynihan has mentioned and the rest of us agree with her point, are they also approving the funding of social infrastructure, including community centres and crèches, as part of the approval process? If...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I thank the members.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Any public housing development.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Both the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the housing Department. Let us start with that pair and between them we should be able to figure things out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I see that there are a lot of them around this table. It is not that I do not want to bring anybody else in but this should not be a case of us recreating the wheel. This is a known problem, which we all recognise. This is something that we want to tackle in a pragmatic way. I do not want to talk about it for four years. I would like us to do something to improve the situation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I am happy for the examination of modular homes as an energy-efficient, affordable, sustainable solution to go under No. 19. We have already discussed the elderly and the retrofit grant. That is fine. We can include both of those under No. 19. We skipped the viability of apartment construction in Dublin city. You did not put a number on it, Chairman.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: That is okay. I propose to include it under No. 4, which you, Chairman, have referred to as construction costs in housing. I specifically want us to call out the viability of apartment building, as there is significant concern that it is unviable. That is it in a nutshell. I would welcome if we as a committee could examine that because we will need to figure it out if we want to have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: It comes under the previous-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: No. 3 is really important. If we do not understand what is delivering value for money in housing, what are we at?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: We can look at it under No. 3 or No. 9. Either of them would be appropriate.

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