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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes. As I said, the volume of correspondence we have received will require a significant amount of time to deal with. We should not try to deal piecemeal with it now. No. 435B (i) to (vii) is correspondence dated 13 April from Professor Patrick O Shea, president of University College Cork providing follow-up information subsequent to UCC’s appearance before the committee. Topics...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely. I share the Deputy's concerns.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I share the Deputy's concerns. This is delicate.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: There are a few issues. First, if we agree to this person coming in, given the parallel investigation by the commission, the meeting would have to be held in private session. Second, there is a chronology. As Deputy Connolly said, are we better to wait for Mr. O'Brien to come in and then make a decision on whether we bring in this individual afterwards? This is also probably a need for...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Presumably, we will have to get legal advice on whether a meeting should be public or private and we will have to take cognisance of that. Will we come back to this issue next week? Perhaps by then we will have correspondence from Mr. O'Brien. That would be helpful. I will ask the clerk to the committee and his staff to liaise with Mr. O'Brien and say that we need it before next week. In...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: No. It is not in this list of correspondence. There is other correspondence but not in respect of this issue. The next correspondence is No. 429C, dated 15 April 2017, from an individual entitled "Treason and Betrayal by Public Servants" raising matters in regard to NAMA and the Angela Kerins High Court case. Is it agreed to note the correspondence? Agreed. Nos. 430C, 433C, 442C(i)...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: According to the clerk, this is going back to 2009 and concerns opportunities for promotion. It has been to the rights commission, the Labour Court and a number of other arenas. I think the person is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: The person has issues that he feels-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: There is the process of the Labour Court and there is an ombudsman. I think the clerk has spoken to the correspondent on the phone. If there is new evidence based on this correspondence, the clerk will make a decision and come back to us next week. I am sorry - the clerk will make a recommendation. The use of language here is very important. Correspondence item 448C dated 28 April from...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: We will do it in any other business before we go into Bord na gCon. On financial statements and accounts received, there are only four this week. The Gathering Project 2013 is a clear audit opinion; the Dublin Regional Tourism Organisation is a clear audit opinion; and Dublin Institute of Technology is a clear audit opinion, although the audit noted that the institute made payments...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Are there any further comments? We will move on to the work programme, which is coming up on the screen. With regard to the HSE's appearance, the Chairman has suggested that we delay this meeting slightly if possible to deal with 2016 accounts, which are due for publication shortly. We have scheduled 15 June for them and can deal with that matter on the same day. Given the discussion we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I agree totally.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: The clerk has informed me that this was the only day on which each of the organisations could come in. I share the Deputy's view completely. These are two items in which I have taken a huge interest.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Today's work schedule is going to be incredibly long and very detailed. These two items are greatly important and difficult. There is a possibility that one or both sessions could overrun. We have votes at 12.45 p.m. It is now 9.40 a.m. We have to keep those other dates free so that we will be able to bring them back in for an hour or two to conclude should we run over time today.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Both of these issues are very serious and each would take a full day's meeting normally.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: We have to proceed as planned today. There is a high possibility that we may not conclude one or both of the items and may have to return to them on one of the two dates that are available. If we do, we do, and that is just it. In fairness, next week we will also be able to deal with the issue we discussed earlier in respect of the Grace case. We will have to fit that in as well if we...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I will ask the clerk to chase up those issues as a matter of priority. All members have received correspondence on the issue.

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